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29-12-2010, 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by twilightwolf 
No, No your not the only one! Me neither.
I am a really strange one.. i don't smoke and I have not touched a drop of alchohol in years. Sometimes I feel like i'm an odd apple.. But i'm happy and thats all that matters.
I hate the taste of alchol
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29-12-2010, 09:52 AM
It appears to temptation to make assumptions is irresistable. For example....[/QUOTE]
It is to eventually promote a dog ownership test, which we will all take and pay for and if you think the owners of the dogs who are chained outside, walked sporadically and might or might not attack are going to be in the queue to take it you might see a flying pig quicker!
Err------I would certainly use data showing enviroment as the crucial factor to argue for laws that focus on responsible ownership.
Of course you can never show enviroment as the crucial factor can you?
rune
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29-12-2010, 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Helena54
If either of my dogs bit another human being, they would be pts with no hesitation. They wouldn't need any "assessment" by anybody, they crossed the line, and I certainly wouldn't want them biting anybody else! A quick "nip" at the vet is acceptable, but then I'd be sensible enough to have put a muzzle on them prior to walking in that door so it just wouldn't happen. This dog did not "bite" the woman, it ravaged her, it mauled her to death, end of. The reason being, it was unfortunate enough to have been brought up by some moron who used and abused it, and no matter how many assessments you throw at it, that dog would never, ever forget!
Oh wait, maybe we should have assessed it a bit further, then let it go into a rescue, they would see how well it got on with all the helpers in there, and maybe other dogs,and let some nice couple come and adopt it, take it out on nice country walks, until one day it meets a little kid in a pushchair and just so happens, that kid just happens to set up the very same circumstances as happened with this woman last week, so he kills it
Maybe it would be pts then, or maybe it wouldn't, it could be assessed further perhaps? I cannot believe some people are wanting to "assess" this dog
WTF I'd assess it alright if it attacked one of MY friends or family, and that would be with a 12 bore!!!! I would feel exactly the same if it was a german shepherd dog too, I'm not racist in the dog world!!! I have no time whatsoever for aggressive dogs (through no fault of their own of course!), there are far too many normal dogs in rescue being walked past and ignored, to waste time on a dog who can never be trusted around humans! That's my twopennorth!
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29-12-2010, 03:10 PM
or do you mean environment the way some rescues are? For example my fence isnt 6ft ALL the way round, I have stairs to get in, I live above someone....many probably wouldnt give me a dog but yet I have my own garden, my dog is well enough trained and socialised, he isnt a noise nusance, he is walked daily (more than once) but if I took at test using someone elses house, I'd pass?
EDIT; At the end of the day, the sort of people you are wanting to out off having dogs etc with the test probably have no problem with fraud etc or respect for the law, or in fact others around them, so what good could any test do.
I also agree with Helena - the dog didnt just bite - IT SAVAGED AND KILLED. Someone wants to 'asses and learn ' from that - fine, on your own head be it!! (not that you'd have it long) and if it was in solitary confinement - great life for a dog that! Either way a lose-lose situation. Please don't forget someone lost thier life to this dog - taking stupid risks to asses and learn from it would only end up in somone else being dead or disabled and a even more miserable and unstable dog, yet it wouldnt prevent this happening again...
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