Tosh! Most of my family keep working terriers and lurchers, not a clicker in sight. Mind you, most of their training methods would not get the Dogsey seal of approval, yet their dogs are well trained, happy, healthy, obediant members of their family. Ditto for the relatives with working gundogs, all the ones I know are trained to a whistle..not a clicker.

First: The myth that CM got rid of his pack when he moved. Not true. The majority of the dogs in his pack belonged to various rescue groups around the CA and yes, while he was moving facilities, alternative foster settings had to be found for them......

It would be good if that is correct, do you mind me asking how you know?
I read he had put his dogs back into rescue, and this was from one of the workers at one of the rescues. It is possible someone got the wrong end of the stickrelating to that, if he really has kept them.

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i remmeber watching that episode on the edge of my seat thinking the dog was gonna dissapear under 10 foot of combine tyre - not that it was being tortured by a low level shock from a collar.
It was enough to grab the dogs attention over the noise of industrial machinery and if it stopped it hurting itself then good.

Hiya, I think it refers to birdy type hunting
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what difference does it make to the original topic

*picks self up off floor* Oh my we AGREE on something!!!
Was bound to happen eventually. Sorry, just had to say.

I'm just going to address a few things as others have already said most of what I was to say.

First: The myth that CM got rid of his pack when he moved. Not true. The majority of the dogs in his pack belonged to various rescue groups around the CA and yes, while he was moving facilities, alternative foster settings had to be found for them. HIS dogs, that belonged to him, stayed with him in his house or in kennels and are currently at his new facility along with a rapidly growing pack of newly balanced rescued dogs. This was a lie started by CM haters in the U.S. that has no basis in reality, as do many of thier slights on his character.

Also, to the idea that CM uses captive pack studies to fuel his understanding of dog behavior. Actually, if you've read his book, he actually built his foundation of dog/human pack behavior by observing rural Mexican ranchers and farmers and their dogs. This was what sold me on CM's theories. I lived two years in rural poverty areas of Mexico and spent a total of five years working there. I too spent many a long afternoon just watching these men and their dogs. Plain enough mutts they were, working stock like the finest purebreds trained for years by masters of the trade. There was an inate respect. That sound, that TSST sound, is a Mexican thing. They all use it. I can't tell you how many times I sat by a Mexican cookstove grinding corn and chatting with the woman of the house, to have our conversation interupted by a tsst as she shoos the pup out of the kitchen. Long ramble just to say, I too have seen the interactions and dynamics that Cesar describes in his book and uses as a foundation for his theories. They are domestic dog-human interactions, not wolf pack theory. And they work.

Off to post up some of my mexican dog pics in the gallery if anyone wants to see.

To be fair this is what happened in "Jackbox" 's opinion, not that of everyone who has seen it.