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06-05-2009, 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker 
But if you were just an average member of the public (ie, not you!), then where would you suddenly have gained the skills to move your dog on to advanced training if you havent learnt the skills of basic training yourself already?
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06-05-2009, 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Helena54
Lol! Only like sending it to school for a couple of hours a day, say once a week, I couldn't BEAR to send them away on a day/night basis for a week or similar
Could you imagine being away from your lovely Georgie and Zena for even one night?! I don't think so!
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06-05-2009, 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Hali
Its interesting to hear that loads of 'pre-trained' dogs do still end up in rescue. I'm not talking here about ones that get sent off for a few weeks to a training school (without owner), but a dog that has been well trained/socialised from puppy through to say 2-2.5 years old.
Now I agree that a total imcompetent could easily still undo all the training and I'm not for a minute saying this is the answer to everything, but I still think that in certain instances, it could have a place. For a novice owner who was prepared to learn with/from the dog (and just because it has come pre-trained, doesn't mean that you still can't go to training sessions together), would that be such a bad thing?
I wonder how many of the dog owners on here went out and got a puppy with no previous experience of a well trained dog? Personally I think all the reading/researching in the world can't prepare you for your first dog, particularly when that dog is a puppy.
It seems to me that the problem many have is with a novice buying a trained dog, but having no training (or interest in continuing the training) themselves? I wouldn't disagree with that. The reputable companies will always train the new owner in how to handle the dog and discuss its continued training or maintaining its current level of training.
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06-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
There is no problem in it, I just don't see the point. I can see the point of using such a dog for specialist purposes, but for a pet? you could buy a highly trained dog from such a place but unless your handling skills are equally as good as the person/s that trained the dog, there is a good chance the dog will end up wasted.
Another benefit for me would be that I live in a VERY rural location, and socialising a pup is not as easy here as it was when I lived near a town, especially as I have a young family and other animals to take care of. It could have massive benefits for me to take on a dog who is already thoroughly socialised with people, children, other dogs, livestock etc.
Having now found out how much a trained, obedient pet dog would set me back though, I most probably won't be going down that route!
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06-05-2009, 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Ramble
My own opinion on this sort of thing is that the dog is bred for a specific reason...to sell on, trained up...people will buy the dog to do soemthing specific with it, obedience/personal protection. The dog therefore has become a 'tool' of the trade, a piece of equipment. There are expectations on that dog and it's behaviour and the people purchasing the dog are doing so not for the individual dog...but for what it can 'do'. I think there is a danger in that...it makes me hugely uncomfortable as once that dog is no longer fit for purpose for whatever reason, the chances are it will be disposed of by the 'purchasers'...
You mention 'purchasers' rather than owners, yet money just about always changes hands when you get a dog - whether it be a pet, worker or indeed a rescue dog. What makes you think that just because a dog is bought for a purpose (rather than the purpose of being a pet) it will be any less loved, valued or cherished?
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06-05-2009, 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by skilaki
For those of you who consider part trained dogs are reduced to 'tools', I cannot speak for others, but I would have to disagree with that. I treasure these two as much as any pet dog, they are with me for life (even if they regress and no longer do what they do now), and they have a full family life, from country walks to lounging at my feet while I watch telly in the evening. They are very much loved.
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06-05-2009, 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by kcjack
I am working on her only had her a few weeks and she was in for a week as was spayed. She is defo work in progress LOL
but does she only do it in the dark KC?
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06-05-2009, 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
There is some fab dogs on there!!!!! id quite like to work there actually!!!!
You should contact them about a job - with all your obedience experience, you never know ...
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06-05-2009, 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Magic
Really interesting thread this !
I think I'm with Krusewalker on this one in so much as, why is it that people like the idea of advanced training when they haven't trained a dog to a decent standard before and progress from there. Much if not all the really important work is done whilst a dog is young in order to progress reasonably well at advanced stages (obviously not all) later on. Where is the real benefit in having a pet and companion to buy it pre trained unless you're unable to train to that standard oneself? and if that is so, is that not part of raising and training and learning about dogs? What real reward is there going out and doing with your companion that someone else trained? I personally do not get it but that is just me - I suppose I believe in that if one wants to work and train at an advanced standard then one ought to put the work and learning in themselves.
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