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28-10-2012, 10:05 AM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
I think maybe as someone has already suggested, maybe do a feature in the dog papers about this problem, it may at least shame those who are creating the problem , and hopefully promoting them to take responsibility for their actions.

Re-homing aggressive dogs is not easy, and to be honest I take the view its better to PTS a dog that is difficult to home, rather than allow it to spend its life in rescue,

Decisions have to be made, you can only spread yourself so far, it must be heartbreaking to see your breed come to this
Who said they were aggressive? Just because they are working line bred, doesn't mean they are aggressive
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28-10-2012, 10:12 AM
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It is going to be a difficult situation. If there wasn't such an influx of Malinois coming in, then I would say that rescue is rescue and should deal with whichever type of BSD that comes in (as far as funds allow of course). However, with the amount of dogs you are talking about, plus the predicted number in the future, it may simply be impossible for a small rescue to be able to help them all.

There is a working dog (protection) forum. It might be worth posting something on there about the number of working Malinois coming in to rescue, and see whether there may be some in the working fraternity who wants to start up their own working Mali rescue - you never know!

Other than that, I think perhaps you need to do as the Husky rescue do, and only take in KC registered Malis. Or just take each dog/litter on a case by case basis.

Another aspect to this problem, could be whether people not experienced with working Malis are the best people to find the right homes for these dogs.

By the sound of the scale of the problem, it may be impossible to find enough homes for all these "working line dogs" no matter who is doing the rehoming

Lets face it, and this goes for all breeds, not every pup out of every litter is going to go to a working/show /sport home, most will go to pet homes, the numbers will dictate this .

The problem arises when one fraternity breeds for one trait of the breed in question, making them specialised and unsuitable for the majority of homes .
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28-10-2012, 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by Moobli View Post
Who said they were aggressive? Just because they are working line bred, doesn't mean they are aggressive
True, but one assumes that if these dogs are difficult to re home, its down to their temperament, and that can go from aggression, nervousness , high prey drive, making them unsuitable for the average home .


From my understanding of the BSD is they are a very sensitive breed (types) and as such as you will know any mishandling or bad breeding can morph sensitiveness into aggression.

So maybe I am adding two and two together and making five, or maybe not.

I will widen my comment on aggression to all of the above, if one cant find the right home for difficult dogs, its better to pts , but sadly that job always ends up with the rescue and the breeder is oblivious.
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28-10-2012, 02:03 PM
What about approaching the Police/Prison service to see if they are looking for dogs?

I was reading an advert just the other day where I think it was a prison service were looking for dogs.

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28-10-2012, 02:07 PM
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I guess it depends on a) how dedicated you are to your breed and b) how dedicated you are to dogs.

I have not heard of the same issues in GSD, CS, ESS, Labrador rescues with regard to their working lines v show lines?
I had similar issues in the 7yrs doing lab rescue. All of the dogs I gave to Police, Army and prison service, were all working types that were unsuitable family pets due to their highly strung, active, "need to be doing something" temperaments. I think over the years, they had about 15 from me (not inc GSD's I assessed for them) I never had one that didnt make it.
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28-10-2012, 02:32 PM
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What about approaching the Police/Prison service to see if they are looking for dogs?

I was reading an advert just the other day where I think it was a prison service were looking for dogs.

Sue
I know someone who breeds "working " malinois , the army or police (cant remember) turned down one of his dogs, due to temperament issues.

He gave said dog to one of his friends who is going to do schutzhund with it
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28-10-2012, 04:39 PM
I guess it depends on a) how dedicated you are to your breed and b) how dedicated you are to dogs.
..and just what is that supposed to mean Smokey ?

this situation it is beyond heartbreaking ....

As far as I know the Shutzhund/Mondio clubs run no kind of Rescue organisation specifically for breeds used in the 'sport' ( leaving picking up the pieces instead for the showing fraternity ) and if that makes me sound bitter then you're dead right- it's their sport ( and others ) that encourage the macho image of the breed that have led to an increase in Malinois bred with extreme temperaments and has made this variety so attractive to those that want a 'hard' dog I am so angry that the Malinois has been targeted in this way -those of us who love the breed have watched this happening and tried so hard to warn against it - it is not just about funds but about finding the right homes for dogs bred to be security or guarding dogs - this has NOTHING to do with my own personal dedication to the breed or to dogs in general but a heartfelt reality check and a warning to others - if it's happening to our breed it can so easily happen to others too.
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28-10-2012, 05:25 PM
What happens when you put a young working line dog in to a pet home?Do they not grow up knowing no difference ,dont they adapt to the life style ? .....Iam not talking first time dog owners of course.
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28-10-2012, 07:48 PM
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Who said they were aggressive? Just because they are working line bred, doesn't mean they are aggressive
Precisely, just because a breed is from a working line does not make it aggressive.

Aggression is just a behaviour of which we are ALL capable.
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28-10-2012, 07:49 PM
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It must be so hard, especially as they aren't for the feint hearted they need experienced homes to avoid the behavioural troubles that arise from inexperienced homes/handlers and incorrect training.
My thoughts too. What happens if you rehome a working bred dog to a pet home and they just can't handle it - or worse it is involved in an 'accident', and they later try to blame you for it?

I also see the point where helping bad-breeders get rid of 'unwanted stock' just makes things easier for them, and personally I would rather rescues focus on the solution as much as possible whenever possible.

So I would probably want to help dogs, where, by doing so, has little or no negatives first and foremost - and then help the others. I think sometimes you have to prioritise, by keeping in mind the bigger picture, and ultimately your end goals and what you as a rescue will feel most comfortable (and want to associate yourselves) with.
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