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05-03-2009, 06:52 AM
I agree- if a dog attacks so bad as to kill that person/child then the dog should be pts.

But i am torn both ways as to biting....on the one hand, if say, one of my dogs bit me(an example being if i walked too close to their food bowl etc...not that they would just purely an example!!) and it was a purposeful bite- then although there would of been options to avoid this situation i would find it extremely hard to fully trust the dog again...BUT, a single bite that had a reason , ie. in this case possessiveness over food, can be forgiven as that situation can be avoided (not ideal to have a dog react agressively over food but it is trainable/and/or avoidable- same goes if the dog has any other medical/behavioural reason for the bite...
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If my son was bitten by either of my two, say, in the same or simialr situation as above then i dont think i could EVER trust them again and would really struggle to live with a dog that is capable of biting when unchallenged-but that is my dogs- i know they dont have posessiveness issues and would be gobsmacked if one bit me for being around their food-and that would be worse, as i DO trust them, if, however i had a dog that i knew was possessive and still walked past/allowed child to walk past to therefore provoke the dog then, well, i as a responsible owner should have known better than to risk a situation like that.

sorry ive rambled on!!
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05-03-2009, 07:49 AM
Originally Posted by Snorri the Priest View Post
Case by case, IMO! Kali has never bitten, but I have seen him put in a position where he wanted to have a go (but didn't). A "yoof" was stirring him up with a stick, so he snarled. The yoof increased the stirring, until I clouted him (the yoof) round the ear with another stick. Then my pal gave him a good punching. In the end, I think the yoof would have preferred getting bitten


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05-03-2009, 11:19 AM
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I agree- if a dog attacks so bad as to kill that person/child then the dog should be pts.

It would be - wether it `should` be it another matter. There are circumstance where an animal could kill from terror, pain, self-preservation. Again we are putting human values on to animals and saying it`s guilty of crime. Yes the dog would be put down because no-one would be able to keep the dog, but hopefully people would learn lesson from it.

But i am torn both ways as to biting....on the one hand, if
If my son was bitten by either of my two, say, in the same or simialr situation as above then i dont think i could EVER trust them again and would really struggle to live with a dog that is capable of biting when unchallenged-but that is my dogs- i know they dont have posessiveness issues and would be gobsmacked if one bit me for being around their food-and that would be worse, as i DO trust them, if, however i had a dog that i knew was possessive and still walked past/allowed child to walk past to therefore provoke the dog then, well, i as a responsible owner should have known better than to risk a situation like that.
I was once bitten by one of my dogs. His teeth went through my hand. The circumstances were that he was impaled on spiked railings and I was supporting his weight. (He survived unscathed BTW!) Stuff happens. You do get over it.
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05-03-2009, 11:37 AM
I have been in the situation of having to have a dog pts for biting and aggressive behaviour and my brother re-homed his dog after it bit his baby daughter on the face whilst he was in the room but i got slated last time so i'm not going into it again ! Some people say attacks/bites are always provoked but obviously not in this case as it was a baby that was a couple of months old

Sorry but humans should come before animals !
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05-03-2009, 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by greyhoundk View Post
I have been in the situation of having to have a dog pts for biting and aggressive behaviour and my brother re-homed his dog after it bit his baby daughter on the face whilst he was in the room but i got slated last time so i'm not going into it again ! Some people say attacks/bites are always provoked but obviously not in this case as it was a baby that was a couple of months old

Sorry but humans should come before animals !
They do - but the dog should have been better supervised, socialised and trained . (sorry)
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05-03-2009, 11:57 AM
I bear the scars of a quite bad dog bite too. I was only 10 at the time but I remember begging my Dad not to insist the dog be PTS (it wasn't )
Each case is different and has too be judged on it's own circumstances.
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05-03-2009, 12:00 PM
An unprovoked attack would result in the animal being pts without questions, if it was any animal I owned.
If there seemed to be reasoning behind why the dog reacted in such a manner then I'd have to seriously evaluate whether there was "good reason" for the dogs reactions, weighed up with if I felt I would be able to trust the dog again. But that's JMO
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05-03-2009, 12:09 PM
I think it would all very much depend on the circumstances.

If a dog has bitten through fear or pain then it should not be put to sleep imo. However, if a dog has, for example, gone on a rampage around the neighbourhood (as unfortunately happens from time to time) and savages a number of people/children etc then I don't think there is any choice.

Another example is if one of my dogs were to bite an intruder, then no way should they be pts but commended instead!
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05-03-2009, 12:14 PM
I agree with Luke. My brother and his wife re-homed the dog with childless friends, they couldn't bring themselves to have him pts. The dog was never left alone with their daughter and he still managed to bite her, my brother said he could see it in his eyes that he hated her - i think he was lucky to be re-homed, i think a lot of people would have had him pts. My child was bitten by my JRT and he had snapped at other people and was aggressive with other dogs(he had behavioural training etc and was assessed not to be suitable for rehoming). Sometimes i don't think it makes any difference how much training etc you do it just doesn't work. There are always people who think dogs do no wrong and its people who are to blame - yes people are to blame sometimes but not all the time.
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05-03-2009, 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by greyhoundk View Post
I agree with Luke. My brother and his wife re-homed the dog with childless friends, they couldn't bring themselves to have him pts. The dog was never left alone with their daughter and he still managed to bite her, my brother said he could see it in his eyes that he hated her - i think he was lucky to be re-homed, i think a lot of people would have had him pts. My child was bitten by my JRT and he had snapped at other people and was aggressive with other dogs(he had behavioural training etc and was assessed not to be suitable for rehoming). Sometimes i don't think it makes any difference how much training etc you do it just doesn't work. There are always people who think dogs do no wrong and its people who are to blame - yes people are to blame sometimes but not all the time.
Sorry, but if your brother knew that the dog was jealous and could see that "he hated her" then i fail to understand why they hadnt intervened sooner. Thats certainly a case of not paying attention to previous signs.

My feelings on this are certainly on a case by case basis, and not a strict if bitten dog gets PTS etc.
I have never been bitten by a dog, but for example if Brun obit my wee boy, he would be straight down to the vets to make sure he didnt have anything wrong with him, and then a lot of retraining would be involved. I think if he mauled him really badly and wasnt ill or medical problem then I would be ensuring that he either was rehomed with someone who had no contact with kids, or that if no other option PTS unless it was something that had been totally provoked, however I cant see this ever happening so I cant say for sure what i would feel in the circumstances...

So i do think case by case is the only way to go.
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