In this case the council should deal with these people direct and people like them should not be allowed to own any dog no matter what breed. They are trying to make a sweeping rule because it is easy for them but certainly is tackling the root of the problem in my opinion - which is the state of these idiots, having them for the wrong reasons.

Yeah great way to go about things - leave people with these breeds no where to excersize them

Theres already an MP who favours this move, so the dogs don't really stand a chance, because MP's all stick together


No they wouldn't, as I said councils make their own rules, and with todays money grabbing society, the council are trying to cover their own backs by making sure no dog attacks occur within the grounds of any property they happen to own.



I agree these rules stink, and I'd urge anyone to contact their own local council to see how far this is actually going to go - whether it's something that will happen nation-wide only time will tell, but it's definitely worth acting now rather than waiting for it to happen. So I'm going to sit down later and draft an email to my own local council to see what they have to say on this matter - I'll keep you updated with their reply. I'll also be contacting a couple of MP's regarding this awful situation I think all folk that are dog owners should be naturally gravely concerned

Just found this...


So as far as I can see, all the council has done is ban these breeds from their council properties...

As far as I can see these breeds have been mentioned within the laws for a long time

Is it happening in the UK as well then? If not, it may not happen there, I reiterate Ireland is NOT the UK and has an entirely different government, police force and laws. If it does spread to the UK, I would guess that NI may be the first to jump on the bandwagon being on the same lump of land.
I am waiting to see what the Irish Kennel Club has to say about it, Ireland is hosting the World Show in 2009 and as far as I am aware, Staffies, GSDs, Akita's and Dobes will be more than welcome, as usual.

I understand that Ireland has different laws, rules, and stipulations in place - but that said who knows whats going to happen with morons like that looking for a 'national' ban.

It's just so ridiculous.
If the current laws were enforced then there should be no problems; all these so called "dangerous dogs" would be muzzled, on leash and under control in public. No threat at all. But these laws aren't enforced and they are taking the rules one step further by totally banning these animals. Well, duh, why not police the laws as it stand rather than introduce new ones?

Most dog attacks occur in the home. Do they not think if they are giving people nowhere to exercise their animals that it's going to lead to dogs with alot of pent up energy and that's just asking for trouble?

Why these people don't go ask advice from canine experts before making stupid rules up that cause more harm than goo is beyond me.

i dont know if youve got the same laws on the dangerouse dogs act as we have here,but it certaily dosnt work here,the caring owners are the ones that suffer.one dog that did have a muzzle on in public was dempsey a beautiful pitbull terrier bitch,the owner undid her muzzel one day as dempsey was beeing sick, becouse of this deimpsey was seized and kept on death row for over a year.thanks to trevor cooper [soliceter] dempsey was finelly released back to her owner . i have a picture of this sweet dog playing with my inuits.there was also the case of the older lady in london that lived on her own apart from her pitbull khane,again she did everything right,including renewing her insurance on time,she got a knock on the door one day telling her her insurance had lapsed and they were going to destroy her dog,no amount of arguing or pleading helped, khane was destroyed on the spot.[strangly her cheque got cashed before khane died].i know of three people [one a sixteen year old boy] that killed there selfs after there dog was taken and distroyed.

I totally agree with you, Evie. One of the reasons I am banging on about Ireland (ROI) not being the UK is that I have perceived some very strange (to me) ideas about dogs here by non-dog people which I didn't come across in Britain so maybe the problem won't cross over, so people may need to worry less about it spreading. People who come across me with my dog think he will bite (he's the most laid back canine you can imagine) or ask me if he does, most out here in the countryside live out and are not even kept on the premises but are left to roam. The situation in certain parts of Dublin has less to do with dogs per se and a lot to do with drugs gangs, the Gardai tend to leave them to get on with shooting each other dead which happens with monotonous regularity. The dogs as far as I can see are almost feral and roam around the estates, or are kept shut up all day to be brought out at night for fighting or intimidation.
Dublin city council needs to come clean about this specialist, localised situation and not cause even bigger problems by switching it to a "dangerous dogs" issue. It's dangerous owners!!!!!!
I have been lavishly kissed by plenty of Staffies, Rotties and Dobes in my time which seem to be verging on the foolish and certainly no threat. The difference? They have enlightened, responsible (normal) owners ......

Hers a couple more updates on it (ccrosposted)


This is from an Irish contact:

The first casualties of the Dog Ban on so called dangerous breeds were dumped in Blessington this morning. They are a Rothweiler and German Shepherd found in Blessington. (now in Dunboyne Pound at 087 6961116 bor 01 8026676) -this is only the start.

I rang DCC earlier today and the fact that ths bill was brought in without any forethought or planning is becoming more and more obvious.
On radio Newstalk last night the DCC said there was no panic as an appeals board was set up to examine every case. On ringing the DCC to speak to someone this morning , I was just offered a call back. It appears BRENDAN HAYDEN is now the person to write too as he is the APPEALS PERSON.

Also I was told the dog wardens will be calling to seize the dogs, the ban is in place , it started 1-7-07. The dog wardens will operate the job of seizing the dogs, then people can write to Brendan Hayden in the form of an appeal....they will tell me nothing else but that 'this is only new' we dont know yet the sequence of how a seisure will unfold.So will a family pet be taken to the pound pending an appeal??? I dont think they even know themselves.

We need to keep pressure on ...Form link is below for filling in queries.Please do it asap.Forward this en
mail to all you know . This law is unjust, cruel, and unworkable.
Bernie Wright

http://www.dublincity.ie/sitetools/c...mer%20Services

For the attention of Brendan Hayden. Address Housing Maintenance, 1st Floor, Block 2, Civic Offices, Fishamble St


and another email from Ireland...

it's time we started doing things here folks. Make no mistake ... it's the thin end of the wedge. Perhaps tomorrow my Yorkies will bite someone and then they will be on the 'controlled' list as well?

Perhaps tomorrow the loony Councillors will decide that certain portion of society are more 'prone' to violence than others ... and they will be euthanized?

This is the man we need to talk to NOW from Dublin Council - and don't forget he will want your vote soon. I don't think so?!

Councillor Kevin Humphreys
cllr_kevin.humphreys@dublincity.ie
+353 087 298 91 03 (M)
+353 01 667 80 97+353 01 668 68 54 (H)


Then, of course, there's John Gormley - Minister of the Environment who's got the ultimate responsibility.

Address: Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Custom House, Dublin 1.
Tel: +353 01 888 2403 Fax: +353 01 878 8640 Email: minister@environ.ie

He had the distinction of being the first elected representative in Ireland to have an email address johngormley@eircom.net

Here is a sample letter I have sent to a number of news agencies and, of course, the above two individuals. Even if you are not in Ireland these nutters need to be TOLD that they cannot take away our Civil Rights ... we can own whatever dogs we like ... as long as WE ARE RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS!

Please e-mail them with different Subject: lines it'll keep them bemused for hours (and might not do their e-mail systems any good, either).

Dear Mr Humphreys


I have just read the article in Saturdays Irish Times on Dublin City councils decision to ban certain breeds of dogs from council properties. This decision causes me great concern for a number of reasons. How did the Council reach the decision about dangerous breeds? What criteria were applied and who advised them on this decision? Did the Council consult with any of the animal welfare organisations that are now going to have deal with a huge increase in abandoned and unwanted dogs as a result of this decision? Were they consulted as to the wisdom or otherwise of such a decision. How many other options were explored before this decision was reached?

Be VERY assured that I have sent out your decision to all my friends – urging them to contact you PERSONALLY to voice their total disgust and displeasure at your unilateral and illegal decision banning family pet dogs.


The Council, before reaching their decision, should have sought the advice of people who deal with animal welfare on a daily basis. Such organisations are by and large lobbying for responsible legislation that states that it should be dealt with by “deed not breed”. Any dog can have the capacity to be aggressive depending on how it has been treated by human beings. Such legislation would also allow for degrees of offences and remedies required by the owners as opposed to wholesale destruction of dogs by virtue of the fact that they have a specific breed name.


Such draconian actions and legislation that supports such actions has proven in other areas to be a resounding failure. This decision will result in a number of things:

Distraught families and children who have to hand over beloved family pets either for re-homing or destruction with no responsible assessment of the individual dog and its owners.
Irresponsible owners, particularly those who use their dogs for fighting and who breed dogs for the same purpose will most certainly not hand their dogs over and will instead put them into hiding and carry on with their cruel practices even further from the public eye.
Amnesties will be offered by councils to those owners to hand their dogs over and this will fail also.
Many dogs will now be abandoned or thrown on to the streets for animal welfare organisations to pick up and take responsibility for. These organisations are generally under resourced anyway and this will result in the needless cull of many dogs.
The whole area of fighting dogs is a very lucrative one and it will now be driven further underground and people will make even more money out of this cruelty to animals.

In short the Council has been very irresponsible and rash in taking this decision with very little thought for the consequences. The focus should be on the behaviour of the owners and not the dogs and this issue can be addressed with responsible ownership not destruction.

Regards
Peter Banks
Web: www.IrishDogs.ie

if everyone writes using the letter above ...remember to change the subject line of your email as it could go to spam otherwise !!!!
please guys get emailing these councillors - anyone who is an animal lover needs to stand up and protest to any kind of breed predjudice...

This is just one of the people in Ireland that this ban has affected (cross posted from an irish forum)

I just got a call from a 92 year old woman living in a coucil estate. She is arthritis ridden and her hands are stuck in the fist position. Cant move them at all.

She is the owner of a German Shepard named Helper. Helper is fully trained to look after her. Helper does things like carry the paper home from the shop, brings her post to in the mornings which is also her wake up call, the dog even turns the kettle on for her, and these are just a few of the things she mentioned.

Her husband died in December last year and they never had any Kids, so Helper is the only family member she has left. Helper is 8 years of age.

She was crying on the phone to me, telling me that if this dog is taken from her she will literally die.