Split thread about business and business ethics

Apparently you have never observed school kids engaged in projects inspired by these programmes that you detest. I know of kids who were failing at school, were bored and disruptive - then they get given a stimulating project, something practical, and for example as an incentive find out they are going to present it TO e.g. a member of the Dragons' Den Panel.

These same kids then start using their brains, working hard, finding interests and skills they never even realised they had.

And you 'detest' that???

If you want to see an illustration of 'greed' then hey, there are plenty - but personally I would not class The Apprentice and Dragons' Den as valid instances of this.

I don't detest young kids being inspired. I detest that they 'need' some sort of celebrity incentive to 'use their brains and work hard' and how that is somehow a good thing.

It's a huge topic and one that is not just about programs on the television - but culture, education, upbringing, diet etc.

I'll move our last two posts into a new thread - as we've ventured so far off the original topic now... and I can see it could get very long

What would you prefer they needed? Children from impoverished backgrounds often don't have the luxury of good, personal role models. Surely as long as they're inspired and as a result go on to do great things, that's all that's important? Everyone has different learning styles, what works for one person won't necessarily work for another.

Where do you get the idea that kids NEED some sort of celebrity incentive to use their brains and work hard?

Are those that appear on such programmes the ONLY kids in the country that use their brains and work hard?

I do not think so.

An opportunity has arisen and it has been grabbed with both hands.

Sometimes people NEED a helping hand, if they live with role models who do nothing but live off the dole, smoke, drink, take drugs and have multiple partners.

These kids are not to be despised but to be applauded for pursuing their dreams!

I would prefer they were brought up around altruistic influences, not selfish and greedy ones.

I don't despise the kids - I despise what's become of society and that they're in that position to begin with.

Aspirations like everything else should be judged on what they are - not just for having them! (Some children are being shaped to aspire in becoming martyrs for example!). Tell me what you aspire to do and I'll tell you whether I want to applaud them or not.

I hate to say it Azz, but you need to move into the real world!

Some of the kids round here are one of a dozen siblings, their parents exists on benefits, smoke, drink, swear and don't give a damn about their kids. If The Apprentice inspires these kids to get out of the Hell that is their lives then I'm all for it tbh!

Lol I think I will have to agree with you there

It's a terrible shame. Goes back to selfishness - people shouldn't have children if they are not prepared to do right by them.

A lot of the parents round here have kids so they can get a house - the more kids you have the higher the housing need and the higher you go up the housing list. Sadly many of the school girls, when asked what they want to do when they grow up, say "have babies" because that's all they know.

Really what the Government needs to do is grow a pair of balls and stop all this benefits nonsense, if the money stops rolling in these "parents" will stop having children, but that's another thread entirely.

Well I'm not gonna dare you to start one

*runs