I saw nothing rude from Kruse.

I wasn't slating the breeds in any way, I was simply trying to figure out what breed the dog is by giving a clear description.

It wasn't a youth the pup was with, he was older than me probably. He looked like user as well juding by his appearance and his speech.

ETA: I couldn't give a toss about the guy, it's the dog I care about and will be keeping an eye out for it. Afterall, it wasn't so long ago my granpa and other dog walkers he was with found a dead dog at the local dams underneath the hedges that was torn to smitherines (where I was walking last night and walk regularly). We soon learned that it was due to dog fighting. I am glad I never witnessed it.

Let me make it clear again, that I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE DOGS.


I give up with Dogsey, I really do.

Iim sure you dont intend to be breedist, we're just saying step back and look at your post again, and you will see it does come over that way.
even the title of the thread sets up the tone.

In my original post, i haven't accused you in any way, I've just asked questions (uncomfortable questions granted) and pointed the above out.
I have received a few messages from people stating they saw no malice in what i wrong, and understood where I was coming from.

I wouldn't give up on dogsey, if i were you, because if you had posted your post on some other dog forums, you would have got much more direct and angry posts

After all, do you really.........if you truly sit down and think about it......consider it surprising or odd that a dog lovers forum would garner some challenging responses to a post that expressed some negativity toward a dog that, even you yourself, admitted was friendly?

Also, you have said your first post but in your first post you also said you couldn't see the dog clearly?

However, re description.
When you say solid, do you mean stocky, or lean and long legged, as the former isn't a description of pit bull types.
You mention the tail and colour, but neither of these is taken into consideration re pit bull type identification.
There are certain ratios of body length to leg length and head to stop to muzzle for legal identification (which, to be frank, is still all pants)

im probably going to get shot down for this but... i dont see what Westie_N said that was so wrong. from her first post i understood what she was saying. i got nothing from the post saying she was against the breed... it was the owner. i think its wrong to have any stereotype, but we all have to admit that no matter how hard we try... we still do it. im young and when i walk past people like that (with or without a dog) i get nervous, many of them are really friendly but if they are high you just dont know what they will do, i know she didnt say in the first post she thought he was but i think its still something i would be wary about. she said good things about the pup, such as...

all she seems to be wary about is that this type of breed is one who is owned by people wanting to do dog fights, so will be looking out to make sure this isnt happening, for the pup. and tbh, i am the same.

when you hear so many horror stories about dog fighting and the use of bait dogs, it can be frightening. especially if you live in an area where dog fighting is high. i am wary with jake around dogs with people like that just in case. i have met two, a guy with a rottie and one with a staff, who were so lovely and smashed my stereotype of them. i let jake met both of them, and they got on well. so its not about the dogs, its the owners.

theres a BCxStaff, who a while ago attacked jake. the owner was extremely nice about it, apologising and checking jake was ok. the next time i saw her we gradually introduced the dogs together. and they got on great! and this dog was built like a staff. so for many people, its not the dogs it is the owner. which is still wrong but people seem to be capable of so many terrible things, its getting to the point where nothing shocks...

i might be wrong in how i picked it up, but thats what i understood from it. nothing against the breed, just wary around the owner.

That's exactly right. The pup was lovely, nice and friendly and bold. And like you say, I'll be watching out for him in the future, like I do with any dogs (and owners) I may have concerns about, regardless of the breed

I'm hoping I'll see him again and I can offer him the chance to let the pup have a run around with my two, as socialisation is paramount, obviously.

Hello lozzibear

I completely appreciate your concerns about some types of owners with some types of dogs.
I've had to deal with that as well.

i think it was just the way westie worded it.
for example, the quotes you chose above:

but then followed by a 'will keep a beady eye on them'

such phrases and others about big dogs and the title of the thread did give one pause to think where this thread was coming from...... which was a fair question to ask on a dog lovers forum, under the circumstances.

(and no, im NOT saying westie isnt a dog lover).

From the brief desprition given though, i imagined staffy X, as opposed to pit bull (irish staffie pseudonym) type?

I currently live with a dog thats ment to be a pit x. though I dont see it in her, to me shes a staff x

thats what i got from it, i read nothing that i thought suggested you were against the breed.

its good you want to help the pup

Yes, I will indeed be keeping me beady eye on him AND the pup as I wouldn't like to see it come to any POSSIBLE harm. As I said, it's the pup I'll be looking out for as it's welfare is important to me, I couldn't give two hoots about the guy!

What's wrong with that? Would you rather I turned a blind eye all the time when there are many problems in society regarding the welfare of ALL dogs in general? I think not.

I have nothing at all against the pup, I really like it and hope it'll be grow up to be friends with my two.

I only wanted to try and determine which breed it is as I'm the first to admit I don't fully know all the different types of Staffies etc, which is why I asked on here. I'll know in future not to, though, in case I get shot down for it!

FWIW I don't think Westie sounded breedist or that Kruse was rude, just airing his views on how some might have interpreted the post. I admit, when I started reading the OP, I thought "oh dear Westie's gonna get shot down for this" but read on to see that she was bothered about the pup and it's treatment, in case it was going to be put into fighting, etc. Kruse's post I took to be pointing out this fact but not indicating that Westie was breedist