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29-11-2010, 09:41 AM
Originally Posted by Laura-Anne 
Again sorry OP but feel this is still relevant to the thread. I dont agree with docking, even though I own a dog with a docked tail (re-homed her, the fact she had a shorter tail than she had at a few days old does not make a blind bit of difference to me, im 90% sure she was used as a working dog anyway).
But the original question was why one rule for one and not the same for the other in which i agree, the same standard should be set by all, and its the dogs who are doing the purpose they were intended to who cannot be shown, I dont see the logic especially if those docked before 2007 can still be shown. It is being managed legally so why punish those who abide by the law. If it is for purpose and not aesthetics then I dont see why they should be penalised. JMO.
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29-11-2010, 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by Brierley;2103860[B
the public is not only getting used to both the idea and the 'new' appearance, but are leaning towards support for the ban on the basis that unnecessary mutilation is wrong.[/B]You think so , then why do the public still demand docked pups.
You still get breeders docking Rotti`s Boxers, along with all the gundog breeds... funny if the public found it so abhorrent, they would nto be buying said pups
One wouldn't, but a surprising number of people who support one type of mutilation abhor another type which I find rather strange, or may not because self-interest does play a part in decisions
Docking tails, is done in an instant, end off, no after effects, no after pain...ear cropping is totally different, , its a long drawn out process.........although have to say, I love the look it gives certain breeds.
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29-11-2010, 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Lie about what ?
Maybe some do but if you allow them to show you will get people who just show people cutting tails off "because they like the way the dog looks without it"
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29-11-2010, 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Why,/ one type of mutilation (as you put it) is not the same as another, some may say chopping a dogs balls off is equally mutilation, (which is done for ones self interest)
Docking tails, is done in an instant, end off, no after effects, no after pain...ear cropping is totally different, , its a long drawn out process.........although have to say, I love the look it gives certain breeds.
I like my animals to be as nature intended them, not chopped around to please the eye of 'animal lovers'
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29-11-2010, 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd
The tail is removed to allow the dog to be fit for function, however docking alone is not the topic up for discussion - please read the link in the OP.
If you want to discuss docking alone please start your own thread.
thank you for telling me whether i had or not, i can figure that much out for myself My point is, the link refers to working dogs as being 'fit for function' with docked tails and therefore should be allowed to show... but how can a dog be 'fit for function' if the tails have to be docked to enable them to work... At least dogs in shows with full tails show how the dogs are meant to look...
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29-11-2010, 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by rune
Really???
I like my animals to be as nature intended them, not chopped around to please the eye of 'animal lovers'
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29-11-2010, 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Why,/ one type of mutilation (as you put it) is not the same as another, some may say chopping a dogs balls off is equally mutilation, (which is done for ones self interest)
Docking tails, is done in an instant, end off, no after effects, no after pain...ear cropping is totally different, , its a long drawn out process.........although have to say, I love the look it gives certain breeds.
Let's face it, the majority of docking is because some people like the looks it gives the dog rather than for any injury prevention. It would be quite interesting to know the figures for docked dogs in pet homes rather than being worked, but, of course, those figures are impossible to get.
In some countries, ear cropping is fairly normal as is debarking - thankfully not here in the UK. Most here think both practices aborhent, yet docking still continues. I can't see the difference - they are all 'altering' procedures that are very difficult to find any reasonable justification for
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29-11-2010, 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Brierley
Sorry, but there are plenty of dogs with docked tails that do suffer after effects and pain from docking. There are also plenty of dogs that can't cope with the dock and further mutilate themselves by biting at the stump - seen it enough times
Let's face it, the majority of docking is because some people like the looks it gives the dog rather than for any injury prevention. It would be quite interesting to know the figures for docked dogs in pet homes rather than being worked, but, of course, those figures are impossible to get.
Not really, you can do a rough calculation, a litter of 10/12 pups, 1 or 2 may go to working homes, the rest go to pet homes, multple that by the hundreds of litters docked since the ban, and the majority will have gone to pet homes.
Same as show dogs, the majority go to pet homes, 1 or 2 out of a litter will go to show.
In some countries, ear cropping is fairly normal as is debarking - thankfully not here in the UK. Most here think both practices aborhent, yet docking still continues. I can't see the difference - they are all 'altering' procedures that are very difficult to find any reasonable justification for
How do you know that a dog that bites at his "stump" is doing so because he does not have a full tail.
What about the dog that "bite" and "mutilates" its full tail,
Is he doing so for a different reason! or are you humanising said dog to what you want to fit your theory.
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