I dont know what else to say?!

It is def not a kick, you touch with foot. dogs soft mouth, they dont bite to break skin, as your hands emulate.

well done on coming so far with her I know your pain lol, sasha {matron on the forum's dog,} also a BM was very similar to your girl, its not an easy problem to fix in a mastiff, we never truely cured sasha, but we did get her to a point where she could be controled and less stressed in public around other dogs.

but he doesn't say that he is 'mouthing' he clearly states he is 'biting'. and you probably don't kick your dogs but i have watched cesar kicking dogs, in particular the wolf mix that bit him before he asphyxiated it. he uses force at times and i just cannot accept that is the correct way to train a dog.

I say biting and it is a bite, but does not have to break skin or be aggressive.
this is not the CM i view, but thats your opinion and this is mine and there is not much else to say.
I have worked with someone who uses his method type and there has never been aggression or fear. Its whole basis is calm human calm dog.

well we will just have to agree to disagree. i'll stick to positive training methods with my dogs.

It also shows how carelessly and cavalierly he goes around declaring dogs to be "rehabilitated".

In reality, he simply threatened the dog to behave in his presence and once the dog adapts to the new punishment, his behavior returns, often worsened by the experience.

What is it with Millan's followers and their mystical 'energy'\\


I wonder how calm they would feel to get kicked or punched by me - I promise to kick them or jab them using only calm "energy". You can even try pulling and pointing a gun at a person... don't worry they won't be traumatized by it - after all it's about the "energy"

The Calm bit of CM theory is good. That is the basis of every single Animal handling Technique, you stay Calm & Relaxed, He Uses it as his mantra but did not Invent it & it can be argued that he does not "practise" it.
However If the Pro CMers pick the calm bit & DO do it that is going to work at many things, but that is not CM imo.

Also if you are all liking the Claming Bit, maybe interesting reading would be "Calming signals" by T.rugass <sp>???? to be even Better at been Calm!!!!!!

But, you are not a dog behaviourist! So I can't see how you can be confident in dog behaviour work.

Even CM says "don't try this at home"

As Ramble said, I'm not getting at you either, so please don't take it like that. I am really quite saddened at your confidence because if you meet the wrong dog, and do an alpha roll, you will end up in casualty and the dog will be pts

Several of us on here do work with dogs as trainers/behaviourists, and we can say hand on heart that alpha rolling and pinning etc is a recipe for disaster, certainly with some dogs and some owners.

I'm not sure if you missed my earlier reply, but it is possible for some dogs to be so biddable that they are not tooooo affected by this treatment.

But if, say, your sister has another dog (or even this dog, on a bad day) and that dog is a different sort of dog, she may get seriously bitten - and what will happen to the dog then? It won't be the dog's fault, but no-one will trust it and no doubt, like several dogs some of us know of, due to CM techniques it will be pts

Also I find it sad that this was done to an anxious dog. Was it anxiety that made her/him jump up? as if so then best thing would be to work on that in general areas, increasing confidence, and training an alternative behaviour.

Your sister did some things that wouldn't work - for example, ignoring. (I presume you meant ignoring the jumping up, or did you mean ignoring the dog generally?) This is more likely to make an anxious dog jump up! than not as they find it veryhard to cope with being ignored; they try to appease (which can mean jumping up!)



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