I prefer my catches live LMAO!

If what you say was done is absolutely correct, I'd say the people may not have understood how to give consequences or how to train correctly in the first place.

A good "someone who does these types of training" will understand how to give consequences. It may be that for some reason this dog wasn't given any, or perhaps there was some other reason for his behaviour (stressed out?not given enough to do? over stimulated?intolerant to certain foods causing hyper behaviour? etc. ).

I've stopped my dog barking literally in a few minutes for one problem (around working trials jumps) and in a couple of days for a cat problem. It can be done. But it has to be understood how to do it - like most things :smt001

I'd be interested to know who they were - I agree it's best to not name folk,not fair, but would you mind PMing me?
Ar, tis not crap, tis not
I hear your frustration and I will say that any good method will be effective, not only humane.
I am not sure about gundog trainers - some are just fantastic, I've learnt a lot from a couple. But some can be hard.
I am glad your dog is doing well and am not trying to pick onyour post, I'm actually way behind!

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The only E collar episode I can remember of CM's was a farm dog that attacked any vehicles tyres and who had hurt himself in the past and the owner was worried he was going to kill himself but couldnt see him to control him properly - it seemed to work for that particularly dog. If one of my kids stepped out into the road i might think about giving them a smack on the hand to underline the seriousness of what they did and 'shock' them into realising how dangerous it was. The shock would be that i dont smack my kids and they would hopefully associate the gravity of what they did because it got this exceptional response in exceptional circumstances.
I apologise if i have missed other episodes where he has unnecessarily used e-collars but i remmeber watching that episode on the edge of my seat thinking the dog was gonna dissapear under 10 foot of combine tyre - not that it was being tortured by a low level shock from a collar.
It was enough to grab the dogs attention over the noise of industrial machinery and if it stopped it hurting itself then good.

dear god - i guess youre still talking about marmite

Victoria Stilwell has often worked on these sort of cases in Its Me or The Dog (no force required)
He what? How absolutely stupid, whatever else one thinks, that is just foolish .
I take it the dog went for CM and not the child? He was lucky, and so was the child.
So not only did he make a mountain out of a molehill, but he no doubt scared the little girl and put a bite history on the dog. Great work - NOT
That is often the way.
A dog will sometimes accept an owner using force, but will still behave inappropriately with the weaker owner. The answer is not to use force - as Ms Stilwell knows

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Hiya, I think it refers to birdy type hunting
Traditionally a very - well - traditional sport, clicker methods are being used by some now. There's acouple of books out, a UK one and a US one. That's all I know though.

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No not CM, Martin Deeley!
Must be my writing, sorry.

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ps CM uses them too, a dog bit his owner on one occasion as he redirected his aggression when he was given the "correction".

Its the only instance im aware of.

To be fair this is what happened in "Jackbox" 's opinion, not that of everyone who has seen it.

I think it's a great training method, but people shouldn't feel it's the only way by any means.
With pet dogs I also tend to recommend good old Lure and Reward a la Dr Ian Dunbar.
Now, he was a no nonsense trainer, but very positive, loved him

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