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09-08-2009, 09:33 PM
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Good points Lillypup. Tai is extremely well socialised and very rarely objects to either sex, or neuters, to investigate his potential ! However, of course, naturally, there is the very odd occasion when he doesn't, and will protest. Unless he is under attack, I'm sorry, but I will not allow him to growl threateningly. He is a very large dog, wolfy looking, and to many people, very alarming and scarey looking. He is in actuality a complete and utter softy, the gentlest dog I have ever had, despite his size. In today's political climate with the anti-dog brigade being very much to the fore, I just do not want him growling, unless in danger. When being threatened, he doesn't need to, he can look very menacing and threatening when he is doing his Beta Enforcer impression. He pulls himself up to his full height, goes as a stiff as a Guardsman outside Buckingham Palace, and his tail goes as aloft and as erect as is possible. He stands there motionless, not uttering a sound, and 99 times out of 100, the situation is diffused. He doesn't always do this, it depends on the threat I suppose. They see things of course that we don't.
i know it's hard. dylan is a large border collie, he's got erect ears and when he does the 'i'm not happy!' thing it looks pretty menacing too! i've learnt though, (for dylan, i'm not saying it would work on every dog) to let him say his piece. he has never, ever bitten another dog but believe me, it has sounded like he wants to. he's actually terrified of them, due to his lack of socialisation, and i feel if i was to step in, i would make the situation 10 times worse. if another dog has reacted aggressively to his behaviour, he backs off immediately.

if it works and your dog is not compromised or made to behave in a manner he's not happy with, then go with it.
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09-08-2009, 09:34 PM
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I think that is alot more down to the way you motivateyour dog as opposed to what you actually do.

I have been at a class tonight, and Siren and Laf (Collie and Lab) were on the ceiling....loving every minuite, we were clicker raining, doing nose work, chasing food....indispersed with some walking nicely next to me - ignoring other dogs etc.

Every dog I have had with me has loved working, but I have made it fun. It is never a chore. (I have worked with a Ute as well )
yes that is true,i have worked both collies and sibes,its all about what clicks for them, years ago when i went to my first obidience class they said to me 'what do you think you will do with that' pointing at my sibe pup 'it will never retrieve,they cant do that!' well... she learnt to retrieve,much to their surprise,passed her good citizens then i left and started agility with my collie (much to their annoyence )
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09-08-2009, 09:39 PM
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Sorry Tassle, I didn't describe that very well. What I meant to say was that Tai is a very independent dog, and would much prefer not to have to "do obedience". But he does with equanimity (spelling?) and good nature.

We had a lovely game tonight in the garden in the evening sunshine, during which two tennis balls accidentally got deflated! He loves a game, loves chasing sticks and balls, and would definitely prefer to be doing this than having to keep being recalled ! Because northern breeds have such a bad reputation for recall (most unfairly in my opinion), I try very hard to make sure that Tai will always come when he's called. This way, if we are taken unawares by sheep that have escaped from their field, or chickens who have got out onto the set-aside, I can get him under control instantly before he makes that "break" into hunting mode.
its not recall thats a problem with northern breeds its the 'prey drive' combined with independence!
imo a 'recall' wont help you with hunting mode if tai is a 'huskamute'
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09-08-2009, 09:49 PM
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yes that is true,i have worked both collies and sibes,its all about what clicks for them, years ago when i went to my first obidience class they said to me 'what do you think you will do with that' pointing at my sibe pup 'it will never retrieve,they cant do that!' well... she learnt to retrieve,much to their surprise,passed her good citizens then i left and started agility with my collie (much to their annoyence )


I find obedience very boring (its why I do freestyle ), becasue I find it boreing I am constantly having to be over enthusuastic with my guys to make it fun, and I have to find exciting ways of rewarding them to keep them focused.

BTW - the one and only obedience come I did with Siren...she came 2nd to a rescue Husky
We were working at a local agricultral show, I felt so sorry for the Husky - some people the other side of the ring (a rope 3 ft high) sat on the floor and started to take pics of her, then started eating a burger! Bless her she stayed
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10-08-2009, 07:59 AM
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Shocked to say the least......

Nat Geo (tv channel) was just advertising DW, and it showed a medley of clips....
One shocked me lots....
It was a small dog, sat on someones knee on the left. Someone else was sat in the middle, then CM on the right.
CM said "I'm going to take the bone" (or something similar).
He tried to take the bone, the dog went for him, and he reached over and quickly grabbed it's collar/harness, and literally threw the dog on the floor!!
That is one I have mentioned as well. The dog is a Dachshund and I dread to think what damage he could do by throwing any dog on the floor let alone a dachshund. Just out and out violence.
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10-08-2009, 02:23 PM
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its not recall thats a problem with northern breeds its the 'prey drive' combined with independence!
imo a 'recall' wont help you with hunting mode if tai is a 'huskamute'
V3ery true ! Once he's made that "break", Tai goes deaf. All the tssting, oi'ing, and sshhing in the world will not bring the dog away. You have to stop him before he has broken into a gallop.. As I have said before, I can walk him through a flock of flapping and squawking chickens off lead and keep him under control at my side.

It's not just northern breeds of course that have a high prey drive and go deaf, but my personal experience is that ... combined with their independence ... they are on a higher plain of Nortiness than most other breeds !!
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10-08-2009, 02:31 PM
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i know it's hard. dylan is a large border collie, he's got erect ears and when he does the 'i'm not happy!' thing it looks pretty menacing too! i've learnt though, (for dylan, i'm not saying it would work on every dog) to let him say his piece. he has never, ever bitten another dog but believe me, it has sounded like he wants to. he's actually terrified of them, due to his lack of socialisation, and i feel if i was to step in, i would make the situation 10 times worse. if another dog has reacted aggressively to his behaviour, he backs off immediately.

if it works and your dog is not compromised or made to behave in a manner he's not happy with, then go with it.
Yeah, absolutely. I told Tai off yesterday because our next door neighbour's GSD barked ferociously at Tai over the fence at him when I was polishing my car. Tai ran at him in retaliation, and I told him off. He knows he has to ignore the GSD, but every now and then he loses his temper and runs up to the fence as a threat, he doesn't bark, or jump up or anything, just runs straight at the GSD, and then back to me. It is far better if Tai just ignores him, and in any case, it is what I want him to do. Two large dogs barking would be ear shatteringly loud, although Tai never barks in fact. I prefer him to keep the moral high ground and just ignore the GSD!
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10-08-2009, 02:47 PM
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yes that is true,i have worked both collies and sibes,its all about what clicks for them, years ago when i went to my first obidience class they said to me 'what do you think you will do with that' pointing at my sibe pup 'it will never retrieve,they cant do that!' well... she learnt to retrieve,much to their surprise,passed her good citizens then i left and started agility with my collie (much to their annoyence )
How breedist! Hal was an excellent retriever, Tai is so too to a lesser extent. I personally believe you can teach any dog anything. Hal's son, Woody, is owned by a shooting farmer friend of our's who used to host pheasant shoots on his land. Woody was trained to retrieve along with the labradors, only trouble being that the birds would be slightly mauled, and during the lunch break, Woody would go down the piles of shot birds and retrieve some to eat ! He had to be kept on the lead after that.
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10-08-2009, 02:51 PM
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its not recall thats a problem with northern breeds its the 'prey drive' combined with independence!

Last trail Darcy ran on the scooter, just as she turned the corner, a fox ran out ahead and continued to run full speed ahead of her.

She ripped the trail, not only running in harness but on a prey driven sprint at the same time. Added a whole new buzz to her run, the lass was in her element

Prey drive, independance and a desire to run, your so right Tupacs2legs

Neither Darcy or the fox were harmed in this incident

Take good care.

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10-08-2009, 03:09 PM
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Last trail Darcy ran on the scooter, just as she turned the corner, a fox ran out ahead and continued to run full speed ahead of her.

She ripped the trail, not only running in harness but on a prey driven sprint at the same time. Added a whole new buzz to her run, the lass was in her element

Prey drive, independance and a desire to run, your so right Tupacs2legs

Neither Darcy or the fox were harmed in this incident

Take good care.

Seoniad

Cor !! that MUST have been exciting ! Lucky the fox didn't dive through a hedge or jump a ditch, else you would have been flying !
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