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11-02-2011, 09:24 AM
tbh I`ve never heard of the expression `ball drive` before.
I thought it was about motivation and channeling instincts. I doubt a dog has a `ball drive` tbh.
I can understand that prey drive is there because that is linked to survival. I don`t really see how a ball provokes a `drive`. Unless it is substitute for prey.
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11-02-2011, 09:25 AM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker 
their would be a difference in your observations, as they are different expressions (different environment, different cirumstances, different criteria, different intensities), of the same prey drive.
sorry if i misunderstand you, but i thought you just said you couldnt get your dogs to hunt live animals, even when you asked them?
of course the dog will stop playing if the owner stops the game, the prey has passed, as would the dog stop hunting the live anmnal if that prey passed.
...and they are all very different affording me the opportunity to watch different types and behaviours.But I do disagree with you - (you ain't gonna change my mind
)Prey drive is different - you say it is a different expression of - if this were the case, IMO, dogs who had prey drive towards balls would demonstrate prey drive towards actual prey when presented with the opportunity, but this is not always the case.
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11-02-2011, 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
No i disagree, (sorry) i think it is a mid set.
Mav isnt high drive, yes hes stylish & has power, but alot of that is "put in" by me. Hes fast & committed, but again to a certain extent thats taught, its not "natural" in him, ive had to bring it out
HOw did you do that?
Zola however (not quite so naturally stylish) but all the drive in the world, tons of "want", everything she does is fast & focased & will work all day long.
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11-02-2011, 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
Daisy will chase the ball not the rabbit. Because she`s learned that ballie is rewarding and hasn`t learned that with rabbits.
tbh I`ve never heard of the expression `ball drive` before.
I thought it was about motivation and channeling instincts. I doubt a dog has a `ball drive` tbh.
I can understand that prey drive is there because that is linked to survival. I don`t really see how a ball provokes a `drive`. Unless it is substitute for prey.
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11-02-2011, 09:30 AM
Originally Posted by wilbar
That the ingrained, rehearsed, practised & classically-conditioned learning of toy chasing is higher than the innate prey drive triggered by the sight of a moving rabbit!
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11-02-2011, 10:01 AM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
That its "into " its toy!!!!!
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11-02-2011, 10:06 AM
Originally Posted by Tassle
I could not get some of my dogs - I have (had) more than one
...and they are all very different affording me the opportunity to watch different types and behaviours.But I do disagree with you - (you ain't gonna change my mind
)Prey drive is different - you say it is a different expression of - if this were the case, IMO, dogs who had prey drive towards balls would demonstrate prey drive towards actual prey when presented with the opportunity, but this is not always the case.
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11-02-2011, 10:07 AM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
I dont do flyball, but know collies, lol, is it poss shes just racing the other dog? if you put collies together (out infield) the majority of their games are chased based arent they?
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11-02-2011, 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by wilbar
That the ingrained, rehearsed, practised & classically-conditioned learning of toy chasing is higher than the innate prey drive triggered by the sight of a moving rabbit!
I have taught various rescues to want the toy more than anything elser, I work on the basis that if the toy is in their mouth there isn't room to put another dog in there!
No dog I know has been interested in an inanimate ball----so it has to be an expression of some sort of natural instinct and the obvious one is prey drive. That doesn't mean that every dog that chases a ball has an overwhelming prey drive----it means that they have been taught to chase a ball by utilising whatever vestige of prey drive they happen to posess.
I also think this 'drive' word is becoming as overused and wrongly used as the word 'dominance' is!
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11-02-2011, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
ball drive is an expression of prey drive
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