I have to agree with this comment. Mic handled the situation quickly and efficiently and without fuss or damage to either dog or Mic.
Quite impressive under the circumstances.
Elaine

I've got recorded and it was definitely gasping; either that or it was suddenly trying to imitate a goldfish out of water It was kind of gasping with a raspy sound as it was held down.

Hevvur, you say telling No, pushing the dog away etc didn't work - of course it didn't, they never do as they are not good techniques for teaching, they if anything simply reinforce the behaviour! It's like play for the dog.

Modern trainers can stop a dog from doing over the top stuff like that without throwing the dog to the floor.

I think in this kind of discussion it'is easy to pick and choose what seems to support our arguments - it is a fact that people have been injured from doing alpha rolls or similar.

The Monks of New Skete pushed this technique for pet dogss. They also, later, took it back and said it was not a good idea. So the ones who were all for it at one stage took it back - wonder why?

Why should the dogs not be trained correctly instead of having to suffer a "short sharp shock"? As you say, it is the owner's fault so why make the dogs pay for their mistakes?

As for someone who really knows his stuff - why are people so easily impressed with someone who is military - is it the uniform?

I know of a dog who was trained like this, she was supposed to be "dominant"

. She ended up with a good trainer who has now adopted her and who is stilll helping her overcome her problems - she was "apparently" aggressive which is why she was roughed up in training, yet she was in truth terrified and defending her self.

I'm certainly not impressed I am afraid. It's easy to use brawn and not brain, sorry!

It's what i used to do in the past myself and would never do again.

One thing i have noticed is that those who are actually involved in training and behaviour to a greater or lesser degree are very much dislikiing the show, and those who are pet owners and who may not know about how dogs learn are liking it. I think this probably explains a lot of the comments here and on other forums.

I ain't impressed one bit that this bloke wears a uniform,he could wear a pinnie and rollers for all I care, what impressed me was the quick reaction, a definate result and the respect that dog learnt by using that method.

I think you picked me up wrong in my posting. I didnt mean the dogs getting a quick sharp shock, I meant the owners. I like Mic's attitude and firmness with the owners of the dogs. At the end of the day it is the owners who have caused the bad behaviour seen in the dogs.
Elaine

Yes I was impressed at how quickly and efficiently Mic handled the situation after having been bitten by the dog. (nothing to do with the uniform lol)
How would you react in the same situation? I'm genuinely interested and wiling to learn.
Elaine

also they only have a week, which imo isnt long enough, if they did it over a month then other training regimes come in like what the met police dogs use, however this also requires the critical period.

for these cases and given the time period i feel the techniques are correct.

LOL @ the pinnie and rollers

Thing is, I used to do this over 20 years ago (not actually alpha rolling, I only did that once) and had impeccable timing and yes sometimes it worked - but sometimes it didn't.

I have better results using other techniques now, although not so impressive, they work i'd say, better

I'm finding it hard to keep up lol...yes the owners, that's good then!