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05-03-2009, 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by greyhoundk View Post
I agree with Luke. My brother and his wife re-homed the dog with childless friends, they couldn't bring themselves to have him pts. The dog was never left alone with their daughter and he still managed to bite her, my brother said he could see it in his eyes that he hated her - i think he was lucky to be re-homed, i think a lot of people would have had him pts. My child was bitten by my JRT and he had snapped at other people and was aggressive with other dogs(he had behavioural training etc and was assessed not to be suitable for rehoming). Sometimes i don't think it makes any difference how much training etc you do it just doesn't work. There are always people who think dogs do no wrong and its people who are to blame - yes people are to blame sometimes but not all the time.
Sadly, some dogs just dont understand/like babys, I think your brother was unlucky, JRT are quick off the mark, I think even when people such as your brother have doubts about there dogs and kids, often they want to believe it will never happen, though if the signs were there, poss he should have re-homed sooner.

I hope the bite did not leave lasting scars, x
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05-03-2009, 12:27 PM
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Sorry, but if your brother knew that the dog was jealous and could see that "he hated her" then i fail to understand why they hadnt intervened sooner. Thats certainly a case of not paying attention to previous signs.

My feelings on this are certainly on a case by case basis, and not a strict if bitten dog gets PTS etc.
I have never been bitten by a dog, but for example if Brun obit my wee boy, he would be straight down to the vets to make sure he didnt have anything wrong with him, and then a lot of retraining would be involved. I think if he mauled him really badly and wasnt ill or medical problem then I would be ensuring that he either was rehomed with someone who had no contact with kids, or that if no other option PTS unless it was something that had been totally provoked, however I cant see this ever happening so I cant say for sure what i would feel in the circumstances...

So i do think case by case is the only way to go.
I dont really agree with dogs who have mauled someone being re-homed, unless its with someone with vast knowlage of aggression, sadly there are not many homes out there for such dogs.
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05-03-2009, 12:28 PM
Its very easy for people to judge others in this situation - the truth is you don't know what you would do until you are faced with the situation !! - i think they dearly wanted the dog to be socialised with the child and thats what they were trying to do but as you say Shona - i just think its very hard with some dogs, especially when the dog has been the centre of attention and then a child comes along.
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05-03-2009, 12:29 PM
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I dont really agree with dogs who have mauled someone being re-homed, unless its with someone with vast knowlage of aggression, sadly there are not many homes out there for such dogs.
i do kind of agree with you shona, but i think i am thinking that i wouldnt immediately take him to the vet to be PTS, i would give him a chance i suppose, speak to the rescue etc etc - thats speaking if it was Bruno. as I would like to think that there would have to be a VERY VERY major issue for him to do anything to Luca.
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05-03-2009, 12:31 PM
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Its very easy for people to judge others in this situation - the truth is you don't know what you would do until you are faced with the situation !!
your right, i agree but i just think from the way that you wrote that your brother could see that "he hated her" that i would have intervened sooner...
hindsight though is a wonderful thing.

I hope i am never in that situation.
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05-03-2009, 12:38 PM
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i do kind of agree with you shona, but i think i am thinking that i wouldnt immediately take him to the vet to be PTS, i would give him a chance i suppose, speak to the rescue etc etc - thats speaking if it was Bruno. as I would like to think that there would have to be a VERY VERY major issue for him to do anything to Luca.
Its so hard to say what would happen in that situation, you love both dearly, though I have to say, having met bruno, having put him under a bit of pressure when I met him, he was the biggest short legged soppyest dog I have met, ok hes not a lover of other dogs, but he shows no hint of aggression towards people, quite the opposite, hes very tolerant.
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05-03-2009, 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by greyhoundk View Post
Its very easy for people to judge others in this situation - the truth is you don't know what you would do until you are faced with the situation !! - i think they dearly wanted the dog to be socialised with the child and thats what they were trying to do but as you say Shona - i just think its very hard with some dogs, especially when the dog has been the centre of attention and then a child comes along.
often dogs will display behaviour they have never shown before when a new baby comes home {mostly due to never having seen one before} sometimes people find it hard to read exactly what those signs are, I dont think its for anyone to judge your brother, he paid the highest price and must have felt terrible about it.
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05-03-2009, 12:48 PM
he hated her......sorry ,dogs dont hate and they dont love either......they are creatures with emotions and love and hate are not in there makeup,if you feel a dog loves you you are wrong,they use you to get what they need ,hate is a word us humanse use,its a reaction....respectfull and IMO...........phil
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05-03-2009, 01:04 PM
meant to add also, that what if a situation which had been deemed the dog at fault wasnt as it seemed too,

i read on another forum a few days ago that the autopsy report for the child killed by the JRT& SBT down in Wales, showed that the child had suffered skull fracture due to falling off the dining room table and that the wounds by the dogs were around the head and neck area and thought to be the dogs trying to lift the baby up... Whether its true or not is a different matter... BUt both those dogs were PTS, not kennelled etc until investigations done etc...

I just think there should be at least an investigation. Also the case a few years back where the Rottie was shot by police as it "mauled" its owner to death in the street, turns out later that the man had had a heart attack and died and his faithful friend was trying to get him up.....

Just think its very sad that mans best friend is never given the benefit of the doubt....
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05-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by Brundog View Post
meant to add also, that what if a situation which had been deemed the dog at fault wasnt as it seemed too,

i read on another forum a few days ago that the autopsy report for the child killed by the JRT& SBT down in Wales, showed that the child had suffered skull fracture due to falling off the dining room table and that the wounds by the dogs were around the head and neck area and thought to be the dogs trying to lift the baby up... Whether its true or not is a different matter... BUt both those dogs were PTS, not kennelled etc until investigations done etc...

I just think there should be at least an investigation. Also the case a few years back where the Rottie was shot by police as it "mauled" its owner to death in the street, turns out later that the man had had a heart attack and died and his faithful friend was trying to get him up.....

Just think its very sad that mans best friend is never given the benefit of the doubt....
OMG, I did think at the time, they were taking quite a while to confirm the cause of death,

though I will keep my opinions to myself for now.
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