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06-07-2011, 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by inkliveeva View Post
How long had your mum been attending the club ?
4 weeks.....................
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06-07-2011, 10:46 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
re. my remark about the occurence of effluent:
Dogs aren`t babies. Dogs are animals.

Im sorry clair, i dont understand why you have written this

If one child`s pony kicks another you tell the kid on the kicker to take more care and put a red ribbon in the tail and tell the kid on the kicked to not get so close.

i agree, but thats a completely different set of circumstances that doesnt compare to the situation i have described

You wouldn`t act like over-protective parents in a playground.

i agree with this philosophy as well

OK - so one animal slightly injured another animal.

errr....i described earlier the attack and injuries.
its was very severe and serious


Not exactly earth-shattering.

????

Could this not have been handled in a more civilised way?
thats exactly what i have been saying all along.
as in if the club had basic procedures normal for most clubs, and then had communicated with my mum in a symathetic, polite, and supportive way afterward....
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06-07-2011, 11:07 AM
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but the club didnt find about more aobut the dog in advance, nor did they tell him he may not be suitable for a group and offer him alterntatives.

that just told him to turn up several weeks into a course to socialise with other dogs.

even my mum's vet saw the error in this

as a trainer myself, i would have asked much more about his dog once he mentined dog aggression and arranged to meet dog in advance and offer the suitable training for him, every trainer i know wuld have done the same
A bit of bad advice on the club's side, I agree, but not their responsibility. The owner of the dog is the one responsible for his dog and its behaviour - he should have done more research and perhaps contacted a few training groups and some behaviourists to find out what was best for his dog (and the dogs in classes). I could join up to a group training class with Casper by phoning until I found a class that would accept him (and I have no doubt some would) but I know he wouldn't learn much and would disrupt other dogs so I don't do it.
The club may have made a mistake by saying no, don't turn up if you can't control your dog, but they couldn't have predicted the collar would snap. If it hadn't, the scenario would have been totally different - OK, his dog would have been riled up and may have riled up a couple of dogs in the car park but he would have gone home, probably not come back again, and maybe approached a behaviourist instead. It's just unfortunate that the collar failed when it did.
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06-07-2011, 11:12 AM
Seems to me that this was an accident pure and simple. I go to two clubs, one agility and one obedience. Both classes run on a time where they follow on after another class, we wait outside the main doors chatting until the dogs from the previous class come out, then we head on in. Sometimes someone new joins and sometimes they have dog aggressive dogs. No extra precautions are taken by the club, it is the owners responsibility to ensure their dog is restrained, not the clubs.

A few years ago, a dog slipped its collar and ran straight up to the back of my car, at the time i had 2 car territorial dogs, this dog was friendly but mine did lay into it for a few seconds, result was that this dog needed veterinary attention.
I was not asked to pay the vets bills, nor did i offer, nor did the club get involved. It wasnt my fault as my dogs were onlead.
I know it is different for your mum, and i think the owner did the right thing in paying her vet bills, but really, it is nothing to do with the club, it was an accident- an entirely avoidable situation if the dog had had a stronger collar and lead, but again, that is not the clubs responsibility.
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06-07-2011, 01:00 PM
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The rescue wouldn't have intentionally or maliciously placed this dog with an owner who would then deliberately allow the dog to attack another dog/pup.

They would have wanted the dog to go to an owner where the dog would be well looked after for the rest of it's life - they would have wanted the dog to go to it's "forever home".
Good post.
There is also the fact that dogs behave very differently in different environments. Daisy was in kennels a week ... and no-one picked up on her human aggression - which only showed when she was put on a lead and taken for a walk.
I know any fight is upsetting, but the owner of the reactive dog needed as much if not more help than the owners of the pups.
I just think the whole thing is very sad.
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06-07-2011, 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
Good post.
There is also the fact that dogs behave very differently in different environments. Daisy was in kennels a week ... and no-one picked up on her human aggression - which only showed when she was put on a lead and taken for a walk.
I know any fight is upsetting, but the owner of the reactive dog needed as much if not more help than the owners of the pups.
I just think the whole thing is very sad.
I agree with all the above and the whole situation very sad. You make a great point about changing behaviour once they leave the kennels. This is something I used to advise about all the time, however dog to dog behaviour is once area you can reliably asses in the rescue and reliably advise for when dog goes home., I used to do i t all the time in my job. we also never homed powerful or aggressive dogs to unsuitable people
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06-07-2011, 01:26 PM
So a new class for mum too,thats a shame, hope it hasn't put her off...
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06-07-2011, 02:27 PM
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So a new class for mum too,thats a shame, hope it hasn't put her off...
The thing is they asked my mum back. However because og the way they treated her after and the fact they haven't told her about any changes to help prevent this in the future and that they only thing they needed to do was ban rescue dogs then yes it has put her off .th
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06-07-2011, 03:23 PM
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The thing is they asked my mum back. However because og the way they treated her after and the fact they haven't told her about any changes to help prevent this in the future and that they only thing they needed to do was ban rescue dogs then yes it has put her off .th
To ban rescue dogs is utterly stupid! Its not just rescues that have issues, so doesnt solve anything!
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