I agree, its all very strange.
Thank you all for yur feedback, you have all reaffirmed what I wrote in a letter.

My mother took her adolescent rescue cairn x to a puppy class.
The next class is adults.
The adult dogs hang around in the car park and/or the foyer waiting for the pups to finish up and come out.
One regular (dog friendly dog) even roamed around off lead.

Anyways, several weeks into the adult class a new dog had been invited.
They had not met this man nor dog, he had told them by phone it was a large rescue dog that had problems with other dogs. He was told just to turn up the following week for socialisation in the adult class.

He arrived early that week and just walked into the hall whilst the puppy class was still running. He was an elderly man with a large staffy X that was excessively straining at its collar and off it front legs at the sight of the pups.
The pups were spooked and alarm barked at him.
The 2 trainers asked him to go back outside.
This is the car park where the other adult dogs were waiting.
10 minutes later the pups left, the dog was still straining at his collar when they came outside, the collar snapped.
This dog got hold of my mum's cairn and latched on.
My step dad, the owners, another dog owner, and a lady fought this dog off including throwing water at it.
They got him free, my step dad picked up their dog, this dog leaped up and latched on again.
My mum's cairn recieved 5 puncture wounds .

Neither trainer came outside during the commotion until the very end, when one lady came outside.
She was stunned into inaction. She stated as she couldnt see the wounds beneath the fur and the vet was closed, my mum should take her home and bathe her wounds in salt water!

I wrote a letter of complaint asking why they do not operate like a normal professional dog training club.
I even raidsed points of common sense.'
And asked the following:

Why they do not have a pre class information gathering and assessment procedure - as in no forms filling, no prior meeting of problem dogs, no full name and address.

Why they train dogs in good obedience skills but then let them undo all the work as they are leaving!

Why their arent any H & S guidelines given to clients?
For example, when this chap was invited with his dog aggressive dog why wasnt he told to wait in his car until collected?

Why dont trainers go outside to supervise stuff?

Why when both trainers saw the dog was aggressive inside the hall he was left to go outside by himself with no guidance or supervision?

Why none of the trainers phoned my mum to find out how her dog was? Why was she told they will "consider" contacting the owner (whose full details they didnt have!) once they have a committee meeting in the next couple of weeks!

Why when my mum kept calling her committee contact for a whole week she was told this lady was poorly and couldnt come to phone, but instead of being forwarded to the chairman, was left dealing with the husband of the poorly committee memeber, whom isnt even connected to the club?
And why was he obstructive and unhelpful.


And many more questions.

The letter back did not answer one question.
However, they mentioned they arent professional as they are unpaid volunteers!
And they arent liable as their insurance doesnt cover the car park!
But they said my mum's dog would be welcome back, as they can assure her that the incident has been taken seriously, they had a committe meeting, lessons have been learned, so they can assure my mum it would never happen again.
However, they have repeatedly failed to tell my mum what these lessons and new procedures are.....except....wait for it....they have a "dangerous dogs policy" now.
And this policy is.......
..........wait for it.......we dont take dogs from rescues anymore!
My mum replied her dog was from a rescue!
They replied she was from the RSPCA, they are different!

I think it was a accident pure & simple. Clubs are run like this allover the country. Common sense must prevail people must be responsible for their own dogs.Dogs do mix together at Clubs & outside clubs.( & in other places in outside club situations)



Dogs are dogs.

& if anything the Fault is with a faulty collar & the owner. Not the club.

I agree, its all very strange.
Thank you all for yur feedback, you have all reaffirmed what I wrote in a letter.

My mother took her adolescent rescue cairn x to a puppy class.
The next class is adults.
The adult dogs hang around in the car park and/or the foyer waiting for the pups to finish up and come out.
One regular (dog friendly dog) even roamed around off lead.

part from the off lead dog, what is wrong with this?

Anyways, several weeks into the adult class a new dog had been invited.
They had not met this man nor dog, he had told them by phone it was a large rescue dog that had problems with other dogs. He was told just to turn up the following week for socialisation in the adult class.

It depends on WHAT the man has told them with regards to the dog. How agrressive did he say it was? Problems with other dogs does not mean that it is aggressive, So are you sure about of what is actually said? If so how are you sure?

He arrived early that week and just walked into the hall whilst the puppy class was still running. He was an elderly man with a large staffy X that was excessively straining at its collar and off it front legs at the sight of the pups.

The pups were spooked and alarm barked at him.
The 2 trainers asked him to go back outside.

Would have thought that was sensible? tbh?
This is the car park where the other adult dogs were waiting.

Wat happened then, did the regulars help him ? Did the dog calm down,
10 minutes later the pups left, the dog was still straining at his collar when they came outside, the collar snapped.
This dog got hold of my mum's cairn and latched on.

Fault of collar owner, not club

My step dad, the owners, another dog owner, and a lady fought this dog off including throwing water at it.
They got him free, my step dad picked up their dog, this dog leaped up and latched on again.
My mum's cairn recieved 5 puncture wounds .

Was the staffie not restrained then? it was got off he other dog & was FREE to have ago again?Again i cant see how this was the clubs fault, it had nothing to do with the club at this point

Neither trainer came outside during the commotion until the very end, when one lady came outside.
She was stunned into inaction. She stated as she couldnt see the wounds beneath the fur and the vet was closed, my mum should take her home and bathe her wounds in salt water!

what more could she do? it was finished by then? bathing wounds is always sound advice imo. I guess the Trainers were training. Did anyone go INTO the hall to ask for help during the fight?

I wrote a letter of complaint asking why they do not operate like a normal professional dog training club.
I even raidsed points of common sense.'
And asked the following:

Why they do not have a pre class information gathering and assessment procedure - as in no forms filling, no prior meeting of problem dogs, no full name and address.

Are they running a behavioural service or Pet dog training?

Why they train dogs in good obedience skills but then let them undo all the work as they are leaving!

Huh? this dog had not yet attended classes?

Why their arent any H & S guidelines given to clients?
For example, when this chap was invited with his dog aggressive dog why wasnt he told to wait in his car until collected?

Again, How do you know what he was told , or what he had told the club?

Why dont trainers go outside to supervise stuff?

Because they are training dogs inside?

Why when both trainers saw the dog was aggressive inside the hall he was left to go outside by himself with no guidance or supervision?

And? his lesson hadnt started yet

Why none of the trainers phoned my mum to find out how her dog was? Why was she told they will "consider" contacting the owner (whose full details they didnt have!) once they have a committee meeting in the next couple of weeks!

Didnt really need to did ythey with you on the case

Why when my mum kept calling her committee contact for a whole week she was told this lady was poorly and couldnt come to phone, but instead of being forwarded to the chairman, was left dealing with the husband of the poorly committee memeber, whom isnt even connected to the club?
And why was he obstructive and unhelpful.

who knows, could be many reasons


And many more questions.

The letter back did not answer one question.
However, they mentioned they arent professional as they are unpaid volunteers!
And they arent liable as their insurance doesnt cover the car park!

I dont think they would be liable anyway
But they said my mum's dog would be welcome back, as they can assure her that the incident has been taken seriously, they had a committe meeting, lessons have been learned, so they can assure my mum it would never happen again.

There we are then!
However, they have repeatedly failed to tell my mum what these lessons and new procedures are.....except....wait for it....they have a "dangerous dogs policy" now.
And this policy is.......
..........wait for it.......we dont take dogs from rescues anymore!

Great then, thats what your interferance has gained
My mum replied her dog was from a rescue!
They replied she was from the RSPCA, they are different!

Blah blah blah.

Its life, Stop stiring up trouble for other people.

Did you have these concerns BEFORE your mother went to the club?
Perhaps YOU should have done a H&S check on the club before you allowed your mother to attend

Someone i know has these plans for their club:
1. When someone wants to join, just have a quick chat on the phone, just take their phone number.
They dont need to complete any paperwork - owner address, dog history and temperament etc - until the first class.

2. The hall only has one door leading to a foyer leading to the hall. So the dogs leaving can go thru the foyer and the doorway at the same time as the dogs arriving for the next class.

3. As the insurance only covers inside the hall, the 2 trainers have decided to remain inside the hall only, so will leave the dogs and owners to take care of themseves out in the foyer, doorway and car park.

4. And because the car park for the hall doesnt come under their club insurance, they do not need to set any guidelines for dogs or owners whilst using it. Again, this is down to owners.

5. Dog aggressive or other aggressive dogs are welcome in class.

What do you think?