I agree that rescues aren't bad, however the breeders of Talassie's girl would be more than willing to take her back and rehome her if Talassie didn't already have a friend willing to have Tala.

I had a similar problem with Dale. I spent every walk trying to make myself the most exciting person in the world. We trained , played ball , did search games, used tons of treats made a huge fuss every time he came and let me touch his collar. None of it worked But at training classes he had perfect recall and when he went out with the trainer he came back every time

I eventually sorted it all out when I stopped using treats completely. He had a couple of weeks on lead and I was very strict around the house, making sure he did everything he was told and making a growling noise if he didn't. I made sure I did all the pack order stuff like going through doors first etc., although I'd been doing these things for months already.I even used a line in the garden so he had to come in when he was called.
Then we went out armed with water bombs. I know it sounds insane but ...
I went through this routine. Bent right down and called in a happy voice. If he didn't come stood up as tall as possible and growled and then immediately bent down and used the happy voice to call him. If he didn't come I stood up called and threw a water bomb. I wasn't trying to hit him with it, more to surprise him and emphasise that I meant business. Then bent down and called again....
I have no idea why it worked but it did. I only used a couple of water bombs. Thank goodness. They're not easy things to carry and I did feel an idiot.

I've no idea if any of this would work for you but its something else to think about.

Thats good news

His was tinned pilchards.............eughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

As I said I would never consider putting her in a rescue. I take total responsibility for my dog's welfare. My thought was that as she was offered a good home with other dogs that she might have a better life there.

I worked for a short while with a trainer who recommended throwing a check chain near (not at) the dog. This worked for all of three days!

I also know someone (who has a Shepherd) who is having recall problems..

She is seeing a trainer who has recommend an e.collar which she is using and thinks its wonderful because now her dog comes back to her.

Have to avoid her as I cant keep my council for much longer

Hiya, I haven't read the other posts so apologise if I am repeating anything (I usually read all posts in a thread before repluing but am a tad rushed these days).

Is the issue that you feel you haven't bonded in spite of trying? do you feel she'd be happier with someone else?

You say you've implemented pack theory - sometimes if done a bit OTT this can actually diminish the bond between owner and dog, this aspect may be worth looking at. This can happen especially if dogs are not allowed to initiate attention and contact which some stricter programmes tend to lean towards. Personally I never follow it nor suggest it to clients

Not sure how old she is etc but I'd invest in a really good one to one trainer or even a reputable behaviourist to spend some time with you and see if you can do anything about the problems

It is certainly disheartening when you feel a dog won't recall and prefers to play with other dogs etc and when you've really worked hard to improve matters with no result. However itmay be that you are making some basic errrors which are causing the problem to emerge.

One thing many peeps do is to not really allow play or call back the dogs straight away. They as you rightly say are rewarded for being with the other dogs. What I always recommend is to allow play if there is no chance at getting the dog back and then when the dog is tired, that is when you then call your dog, who is usually glad to come back for a tasty reward or toy. You have to find out what motivates the dog, that's really important! It's not always what we think it might be, for some dogs it's something daft like Cheerios for example! Most dogs it's more likely to be roast chicken or liver.

Over time, the dog can if necessary be recalled earlier and this is just the tip of the training iceberg, but if attempts are made to recall when the dog is not listening, it is doubtful any dog would come back There are many other tips as well!

This article may help

http://www.dog-secrets.co.uk/behavio...come-back.html

http://www.dog-secrets.co.uk/behavio...very-time.html

http://www.dog-secrets.co.uk/behavio...tionships.html

or for trainers/behaviourist try:

http://www.apdt.co.uk/

http://www.apbc.org.uk/

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When you call her to you does it signal the end of her fun, ie do you put her lead on and go home? If so could you try calling her, giving a treat and then saying 'go play'. Do this several times before it's time to go home. Then the dog knows that coming to you isn't necessarily the end of their fun.

Also apparently if you lie down on the floor most dogs will come over and see why!! I've never tried this myself but heard it works!

I am not sure whether you saw my earlier post or not Talassie, but have you contacted the breeders about the problems you are having?