Please try and see that is because we care about your dog and don't want anything to happen even if it is the slightest chance for all of life's risks, some just think that is too great a risk that is all I think. It isn't just a case of people bullying you or trying to upset you - get you to see the dangers etc but not bullying or anything sinister

If it keeps my dogs safe, I am as happy as you

The only way I can get both dogs in my car is to have the back seats folded forward. To keep them separate from the front of the car I've got a dog guard fixed to the front head rests, this might be something to consider. Although it does mean Monty could still stick his head out of the window, so I'm sure you'll still get some stick for that.

Interesting (having read the whole thread) how many belt/harness up thier dogs in cars, ours get in the back and lie down, but they are not harnessed.
On the way to scotland as its such a long journey Tess and Bruce will be in the boot space and Skye will get the back seat, but I know they will sleep thier way there

I read, whilst researching this thread yesterday that a border collie, loose in the back will crash into you with the force of 9, 12 stone men if breaking at 60mph.

That would be very painful and not a risk I would ever take, for me or my dogs.

So the back seats are flat, but there is a guard between the front seats? How do you restrain/belt them up then Rips?

Do you think that sleeping all the way there on the back seat without any seat belts on, is going to keep them and you safe

Oh no, never said that.

I just said ours are not belted. But then alot of people don;t, not suggesting Im right or anyone is wrong, just making a generalised note. Im sure everything about that is wrong, but thats just us, not perfect I know

But what I dont understand is that, I am sure you know the importance of seat belts, you buckle up, I am sure you make your passengers buckle up, if you are carrying kids in the back of the car, I am sure you make them put their seat belts on.

So why is it not important to use the same thinking with dogs.

Why is it OK to allow them to be in the car without restraints, yet you would never think to allow children /passengers to do the same!!

Thats a hard one, to be honest, first because they are going to be behind guard there isn't much elsewhere they can go, Skye will be on the back seats on our way to Scotland Yes, but usually she is in the boot space, we only allow this is the journey is hours long and we don;t stop, Skye usually gets into the floor well too.

also I have a few nightmares about belts re dogs, years ago (and I know this is a one off) my ex hubby and I were travelling to hols, the boys were belted in the back, we were travelling along and came round a bend where there had been something happening and traffic tailback caused. We were just past the bend when I heard my Ex say OH SH*t and then a huge bang. We all ended in hospital with whiplash and bruising, but it wasn;t until afterwards, the boys said......Meg was clever apprantly just as the car flew round the bend Meg made a hastey retreat from the boot to the backseat well. just as well she did as the boot was slammed right into the backseat, and viewing the wreck later she would of been crushed between the car that hit us and the back seat.

Both my boys always say that she just jumped out of the way..........she was only 5 then, so she would of never of made 23 if she had of been belted up.

But I would never say anyone was wrong to belt or not to belt, I think we are very fortunate that ours a re brill in the car, they do lie down all the way and sleep, being so relaxed in the boot they would go far other than into the side of the seat.