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23-10-2009, 03:40 PM

Question Time on BBC1 last night

I'm surprised there isn't a thread about this already

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23-10-2009, 03:42 PM
I'll re-post what I did in a thread on over50s, after a post by someone saying how they felt Griffin was a little bullied...

To be honest I think he had it way too easy.

You just can't hold the views he has and expect an easy ride. While everyone has the right to think or believe what they want, everyone else has a right to judge them on their views and treat them with the contempt they deserve if that's how they feel, and that's what you saw on QT.

His whole party has latched on to the immigration problem (which isn't only a problem in this country btw) and have used and twisted it to make people (foolishly) think it's a race issue. When it's not.

I agree immigration is messed up. I agree we need better control on the people we allow in, but I would never use race as a criteria, but more their attitudes and beliefs. I don't have issue with anyone of any race coming here (within capped sustainable limits of course) but I do have issue with people coming here not having the slightest inclination to want to integrate with the British people, learn the language, and hold backwards attitudes and beliefs - views that are not acceptable in a modern civilised society.

At the end of the day, they knew what this country was like before coming here - and if they don't like it, and have no intention of integrating, then why bother coming here in the first place!

The BNP is just using people who are frustrated with the immigration issue, people who end up unwittingly giving them support for the wrong reasons.
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23-10-2009, 03:47 PM
I didn`t watch because it`s just two sets of fanatics confronting each other.
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23-10-2009, 03:48 PM
Well, he got what he wanted didn't he, I will say that much, but as for the bloke himself I don't know enough about his views to comment. My husband, however, is all for it He told me it's not a case of he wants to throw everybody out of the UK who he doesn't like, it's purely a case of shutting the floodgates which my husband is all for, and come to think of it, I'm inclined to think we're bursting at the seams already, so it wouldn't be such a bad idea if we did that, BUT, I have to add, I'm no racist I'm happy with all who ARE here (well,most of them!!!!) I just think we should do as most other countries have done and be a bit more selective about who we do and don't let in that's all, we're only a little Island, we're in big trouble, and a lot of them only come here for the house and the payouts don't they???!!

runs and hides........

I'm old enough to remember the days of Enoch Powell in the 60's, what controversy he caused, and I suppose we will always have an Enoch rearing his ugly head throughout the ages won't we? Personally, I don't like this bloke he gives me the creeps, but I think from what I've heard he did enough damage to himself anyway without any help from me!
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23-10-2009, 03:54 PM
I think he came across incredibly stupid and ignorant, and at times flustered and laughing because he had no good answer to the questions being flung at him.,

As for his comments on the holocaust stuff it was just laughable.

I dont think it increased support for the BNP, as he just came over as a racist bigot to be honest.

I loved Bonnie Greers points about the Indigenous people in Britain all being from Africa after the Ice Age etc - he didnt have an answer to that did he?

I just think the party is a farce and unless you already support the BNP then I dont think him being on Question Time gave any further votes to the BNP. Certainly not from this end anyway.

Did anyone watch the program on later about the undercover asian journalist living in Bristol ?? that was far more shocking!!!
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23-10-2009, 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Brundog View Post

Did anyone watch the program on later about the undercover asian journalist living in Bristol ?? that was far more shocking!!!
I watched that earlier this week.
I agree, very shocking!! Poor people
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23-10-2009, 04:37 PM
According to BBC news, BNP membership has increased as a result of the programme. I'm not at all sure whether a party with the BNP's credentials should have been represented on the panel, but I do believe the mainstream parties should address the issue of the BNP getting votes. They're getting votes for a reason, and will continue to do so until another party begins to recognise the frustration felt by a few, who grasp hold of the BNP's more moderate side (protrayed on Question Time, as predicted).

On a similar note, I heard that Lincolnshire County Council (pretty sure it was them) are going to be allocating money to disheartened, frustrated white communities. Can't say I agree with that, but there are problems that need to be addressed to prevent people turning to the far right, believing they'll be represented. Of course there are real racists, but the BNP should not be as big as it is: bulked out by isolated and frustrated people feeling sidelined by Labour.
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23-10-2009, 04:43 PM
Didn't watch it, he's denied the Holocaust & is just as bad as the German National Socialist party before the war.

Churchill was not the great war tactician & man that so many believe he was. He & the rest of the Allies knew all about the death camps & chose to do nothing, despite the Jewish communities all over the world begging for them to bomb & destroy them.

The BNP are welcome to Churchill as an icon after all he wrote this

“The part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews ... is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders ... The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in (Hungary and Germany, especially Bavaria).

Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with the villainies which are now being perpetrated”.
He also praised Hitler

“While all those formidable transformations were occurring in Europe, Corporal Hitler was fighting his long, wearing battle for the German heart. The story of that struggle cannot be read without admiration for the courage, the perseverance, and the vital force which enabled him to challenge, defy, conciliate, or overcome, all the authorities or resistance’s which barred his path. He, and the ever increasing legions who worked with him, certainly showed at this time, in their patriotic ardour and love of country, that there was nothing that they would not dare, no sacrifice of life, limb or liberty that they would not make themselves or inflict upon their opponents.”
No worth me wasting my time watching a program that I don't like ordinarily.

As for the Immigration matter, the BNP do want all immigrants returned to their place of origin-which will cause a massive problem as the true Britons are actually the Celtic people of Ireland, Wales & Scotland, the blond blue eyed Anglo-Saxons are not native Britons !

I've of a mixed background including migrants from Europe & elsewhere so presumably I would be one of the ones to be"sent"home !
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23-10-2009, 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Helena54 View Post
He told me it's not a case of he wants to throw everybody out of the UK who he doesn't like, it's purely a case of shutting the floodgates which my husband is all for, and come to think of it, I'm inclined to think we're bursting at the seams already.....
This is exactly my point Helena. People are foolishly and unwittingly supporting the BNP because all they are seeing is his end-stance on immigration (and not his personal reasons behind it). It's such a shame, but something the BNP is using quite happily to their advantage.

One of the reasons I am a proponent of education education education, because intelligent and rational people would see right through it and not get fooled so easily. And would instead focus on the underlying issues and problems.

Remember, the BNP _IS_ racist. And like you said you're not - so why give them support just because they happen to agree with something you feel strongly about at the expensive of real values and decency.

I have no respect for supporters of the BNP, I do feel sorry for them them though, not having the intellect to see the party for what it is, and ultimately how it is using them. There's no wonder most of their supporters are 'football hooligans' haven't got much going on upstairs have they

Originally Posted by Brundog View Post
I think he came across incredibly stupid and ignorant, and at times flustered and laughing because he had no good answer to the questions being flung at him.,

As for his comments on the holocaust stuff it was just laughable.

I dont think it increased support for the BNP, as he just came over as a racist bigot to be honest.

I loved Bonnie Greers points about the Indigenous people in Britain all being from Africa after the Ice Age etc - he didnt have an answer to that did he?

I just think the party is a farce and unless you already support the BNP then I dont think him being on Question Time gave any further votes to the BNP. Certainly not from this end anyway.

Did anyone watch the program on later about the undercover asian journalist living in Bristol ?? that was far more shocking!!!
I thought Bonnie Greers was fantastic too! And I missed that undercover (was it dispatches?) program.. will have to look it up on iplayer!

Originally Posted by JoedeeUK View Post

I've of a mixed background including migrants from Europe & elsewhere so presumably I would be one of the ones to be"sent"home !
Lol JD!! Wonder where they'd send you? Knowing them they'd prob want to chop you up into bits and ship you off here and there
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23-10-2009, 05:44 PM
At least you have a 23 mile swim to keep out illegals.
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