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Originally Posted by
Nicci_L
I let nothing cloud my judgement, I can unfortunately see this from that of those whom have family killed and injured, and also from Mr Moats side but that certainly doesn't mean I condone his actions or agree with what he did, I've said that all along.
If you go a few pages back, I mentioned
I've had a member of my family murdered I was 16 at the time, that member of my family was stabbed to death in front of their two oldest children by a gang of teenagers that should have known better, because they were teenagers the oldest one got sentenced to manslaughter and the others for for assisting and encouraging in my uncles stabbing which meant of course nothing more than slapped wrists for them all, they all walk around free now, whilst we all got a life sentence.
Speaking as someone who has had a member of their family tragically snatched away, yes you are damn well angry at the time & do struggle to come to terms with that loss and it takes a long, long time, here I am 20 years later still mourning that loss of life but at the stage where I am no longer angry, even going as far as forgiving the people responsible - because if you don't it eats away at you and completely destroys your life, which is what has happened to the two oldest sons who saw their father die, both are dependant on drugs (heroin) and have been in and out of prison since then for petty offences, I wasn't prepared to let that happen to me but it doesn't mean I don't miss or love the person that died, it just means I wasn't prepared to let what happened destroy and control my life - as explained above after those circumstances, you have two paths that can be taken, we have one life, it's not a dress rehersal.
No one can actually say what they think of the police until you need their help, but more times that most (as above) you are let down by them and the CPS. Murder is murder if you take anothers life, life should mean life, even if they are teenagers.
I've never said Mr Moat was a good man or a hero as he wasn't,
but I do honestly believe he was disturbed in some way I can't see what is wrong with that as I honestly believe that to be the case of those people who stabbed my uncle to death because it isn't normal is it? We don't all suddenly wake up one morning and decide to go shooting at someone or stab someone to death - if you do, your not in the right state of mind and need help.
I don't believe everything I read in the papers, as we all know they thrive on destroying lives further and live for sensationalism - it's how they happen to sell the damn things which belong in the bin.
Sorry Nic, but you are not the only one who has lost friends and family at the hands of others, it happens to thousands of peopel every day, we as a family have been at the receiving ends too, but my blame goes purely on the culprits that committed the crimes, I dont look for reasons and blame the system, people have to take responsiblity for their actions, its easy to
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Neither do I believe that those who stabbed uncle have to be mentally ill.
Sadly in today's society we have a generation that is born from a generation of people who have no morality, they have no boundaries set in their lives and have little regard for their own lives, let alone others.. they are born of an aspect of society that fear no consequences, thats may not be what we consider to be "normal" but it is NOT a result of mental illness.
Originally Posted by
Nicci_L
I've bolded ''hence the warning from prison staff'' just to highlight a few things, that warning may have been given but what was done about it ? Nothing, just simply left for someone else to pass the book, had something been done, Chris Brown could have quite possibly still been alive to tell the tale and Sam Stobbart may not have been injured along with PC Rathband - those threats, may have not been taken seriously enough, may have been like too much paperwork, or the warnings from other inmates to Prison Staff were not believed.
He could have been detained there further for ''Making threats to kill/Injure Harm someone''.
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content...&filesize=2228
That is a crime in itself, he because of that could of had extra days, weeks, months added to that sentence, they are called '''Adjudication Hearings''' he could have got a maximum of 42 days added to that sentence for each finding of guilt, anything over that it would have had to go to an outside court hearing - but still, the failings are there.
As to regards the public fan pages webpages, I cannot mourn for someone I did not know.
But, whether we like it or not Mr Moat had family and friends who did love him whom have a right to mourn his loss whether we view that sick or wrong is either here nor there, love cannot be turned off, love sees beyond flaws, mistakes, weaknesses and poor judgements, we all have faults, we aren't all perfect and whatever we do in life there are always going to be people left behind that miss us, despite what we do or may have done.
I agree Nic, Moats family has a right to morn their loss, a mother has lost a son, (although from the reports she does not seem to bothered) but regards the tributes on FB, what is it a few thousand now, and from what is written almost all of them
dont know him you think thats OK, for him to be hailed a hero by the dregs of society !!!
Surely Nic, if Moats threats where born out of mental illness, the prison service would have deemed him "mentally unsafe and committed him to the psychiatric unit, but as far as I am aware, you cant lock people up for issuing threats.
Sorry Nic, you may feel Moat was wrong in his actions, but your posts sadly are coming across with an justification for his actions.
Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
Yet they did NOTHING to help during the time he was evading capture, terrorising people, KILLING people, breaking into peoples homes. They did NOTHING to warn Police of his intentions, (except his uncle who was useless and his mother who wanted him dead) NOTHING to highlight the risk he posed BEFORE leaving prison, and NOTHING to help UNTIL he was captured, yeah, they can have THEIR bit of fame now, just a shame the poor families of the man he killed cant even have their son to love anymore.
I cannot believe any clear thinking person can have any sympathy for a monster like that, he deserves nothing more than he got.
Nor me, I am really disturbed by the amount of justifaction that is being given for his actions, here and around the net.