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10-02-2011, 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Bunnykennedy 
To what level you take it varies with each owner. Having been around horses all my life I find there are some similarities. Feeding rewards and tidbits can produce undesirable behaviour and wrong motives.
I`ve trained dogs and I`ve trained horses. One is a herd animal, one isn`t. They have different drives and motivation - and different needs. So I don`t really see the relevance.
In an emergency food is not going to stop your dog bolting into a main road.
no - it`s all the patient training that you`ve done that will do that.
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10-02-2011, 06:09 PM
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10-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
Food would stop one of my dogs bolting into the road and a toy would stop the other one!
I have someone in my class at the moment with a little terrier - he likes working for food...but he LOVES working for toys....I just am having an issue explaining that to his owner!
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10-02-2011, 06:19 PM
I always tell them it is the DOG that decides what is punishing and what is reinforcing, not them!
I give them the choice test, put toy and food equidistant (I hope you are impressed with that terminology) from each other and the dog, and see which one goes to first........
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10-02-2011, 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
I give them the choice test, put toy and food equidistant (I hope you are impressed with that terminology) from each other and the dog, and see which one goes to first........
Though even that can fail a bit. If someone tossed a toy and food on the ground for Dahlia, she'd eat the food. But there are times she's really amped up and wants to work for a good game of tug. At other times, she prefers the food. I always go to agility class armed with both!
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10-02-2011, 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
I find it very interesting how people get hooked on a method of reward which suits THEM rather than their dog!
I always tell them it is the DOG that decides what is punishing and what is reinforcing, not them!
I give them the choice test, put toy and food equidistant (I hope you are impressed with that terminology) from each other and the dog, and see which one goes to first........
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10-02-2011, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
Just watched the first episode and all I could think of is, ok where's the actual training? Rocky was distracting me so maybe I missed it
Im a stubborn so and so, but DOgsey taught me how bad CM really is.
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10-02-2011, 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
You didnt miss a thing Azz, I said earlier, he didnt do any harm to anything this time, that was because he actually didnt do anything at all!!
Im a stubborn so and so, but DOgsey taught me how bad CM really is.
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10-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
I did see him sort of 'jab' the black GSD and thought did he just jab that dog? They edited it so it switched to something else tho so was over very quick
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