Mini if you feel so strongly can I ask what you have done to stop puppy farmers?

saying that rescues shouldnt take in ex breeders is surely saying that rescues shouldnt take in peoples unwanted pets? as it therefore leaves space for them to get another one on a whim!!?
Mini, and all others who dont think that ex breeders should be rescued....what is supposed to be done to them instead?

I would like an answer from mini with regards as to what you do to help stop pfs?

Why are you so defensives and aggressive Kc , do you think you are the only person in the world to do anything to help the fight against animal cruelty and exploitation ?
Is this a 'my help is bigger than your help contest'.

Just because some of us choose not to shout about what we do from the rooftops it doesn't mean we do nothing. I would guess I was campaign before you born not just about puppy farms but wherever animals are abused
Read the piece below, I am just one of the many local residence who helped where I could at the time....

Kc no one said what you are doing is not praise worthy, some just chose to interpret it that way,and some of us like to look at the whole picture rather than one small corner.

No Mini but when you pick faults with what I am doing I am interested to see what your experience of breeding bitches is so can see what your strong opinion is founded on. Because my experience is based on what I have seen with my own eyes not what I sit and read on a forum.

KCJack Mini has mentioned several things that she has done for rescues on here and on other threads. You choose not to read those bits though.

NO ONE has said NOT to rescue.

I repeat yet again no one has said this, only that doing so has consequences for other dogs and we should think about this and debate it which is why I moved the discussion to another thread . You have clearly not read the post above where I said..

Yes it is good to rescue dogs, yes if you didn't they will be killed or sold on to someone else and others may take their place but at the same time we should not lose sight of the fact that for every rescued bitch there may not only be another bitch but approximately 30 sickly unsocialised puppies .
No I am not saying people should not rescue breeding stock, no I don't have the answers I am just saying this is how it is but I would like to make everyone who reads this aware .

..I had hoped to encourage people to look at the whole question dispassionately which some people are doing but which others can't seem able to do .

You continue to ignore those people who have given you the answers to this – so who is the one being unreal? None has said accept it have they?
You accuse rescues of aiding and abetting puppyfarmers yet refuse to tell us what you are doing to try to help the situation apart from attacking those on the front line trying to get these dogs out while keeping themselves safe.


I think Ramble has a better grasp on the situation than you do quite frankly and as a mod surely sarcasm is hardly a professional way of presenting your rants.

Its all very black and white for you isn’t it? Rescues bad for taking dogs and letting others take their place (regardless that this would happen anyway). Do you really think they are unaware of what happens and are not doing their best to stop it.

Ive yet to hear an alternative from you to taking these bitches and the fact that the authorities have been made aware and licensed said premises and give warning when they are going to inspect?

I find it sad that people ignore the facts already given and the implication that those out there doing the work don’t actually think about what they are doing and the assumption that they are saying or doing nothing. KC is on the front line hardly complacent and merely concerned about the dogs.

No one is losing sight that there will be another bitch in there or puppies being born – how stupid do you think people are?

Why not try to come up with answers instead of slating someone, accusing them of assisting puppy farmers and implying they couldn’t care less about the dogs left behind. Why not try to help instead of constanty carping at them?

It already been explained that rescues do campaign but in a more constructive manner than ranting at a puppy farmer which is what it seems you want people on the front line to do. Rescues pass on what information they can, not only to the authorities who assisted these farmers to set up in the first place but also lobby groups set up specifically to address these issues

How do you think the information and photos that are already published got there?

Again sarcasm and nastiness does not make good reading especially from a mod all it does is seem to cover up what you are doing to help the situation?


Again you accuse the people who get these dogs out are just doing it for the kudos and are not looking at the bigger picture, that in my opinion is slating them and quite frankly insulting their intelligence. Do you really think they do not know that there are others taking their places – of course they do but until the authorities stop assisting puppyfarmers the only way to stop it going on is to stop the demand!

The question of paying has already been answered THEY DON’T. I also think that implying someone might breed from a rescue dog is ludicrous and has already been explained.

What have you done to raise awareness about not buying puppies – as much as the rescues who put the web pages together, lobby groups who try to get the authorities to change their policies towards puppyfarmers?

Complacent? People are putting their personal safety on the line here to get these dogs out and get what information they can and you have the nerve to call them complacent? They take these worn out bitches and certainly do not go Arh sweet – they nurse them back to health get them to vets and ensure they go to good homes – I think its extremely offensive to imply that all they do is go arh poor doggy look what im doing aint I good.

No people want you to ask questions and you’ve been answered but then accuse them of not wanting to do anything about puppy farms – why on earth would anyone involved in these dogs not want the suffering to end?

Spot, KCJack has already said she doesn't lobby the authorities.

No Ramble I am very busy but nothing stopping people like you is there, why dont you get of your butt seen although you feel so strongly?

KCJack I was replying to the post Spot made in which she said that rescues do lobby.

You are not the only one who helps rescue KCJack nor is it a competition for who is the busiest.

I'm being suckered into this debate again and I swore I wouldn't be due to incorrect assumptions having been made about me which took away from the important elements of this.

I wonder KCJack if the rescue you work for lobbys...if they educate...if they record every bit of info they can about where the dogs are collected from, the car reg etc...????