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21-01-2012, 09:46 AM
Mine know which one is theirs, they sometimes won't accept the other's ball, so if the other one has picked up "theirs", they take the opportunity when they can of nicking it back, but so far, I've never had any squabbles with any two dogs, not now, or before.

I hope that will be the end of it with Yogi and Zak, and whoever ended up getting the message across should mean that the other one will accept it and not attempt to do that again with a ball. When you think of the damage two dogs like yours could do to each other, I'm sure it was just a matter of them sorting it out in doggy language, otherwise things would have ended up a lot worse Kirsty.

I remember when Zena was a puppy and she went to nick Georgie's carrot from under his nose. Afterall, she had always been allowed by him to take what she wanted from him in the past, but not this carrot, he was having none of it, and the noise as he told her off From that day forward, if she wants something from him, she sits patiently in front of him, then lays down, and I'm sure she asks politely and he then lets her steal it away and slope off lol! Dogs! Love 'em!!
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21-01-2012, 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by Luthien View Post
Dogs get jealous too! Maybe not your situation (you know your dogs best), but mine do act a bit "off" if they are in that mood and I seem to be favouring one more than the other.
I do think that Yogi's nose was put out of joint when Zak came to live with us, but I have seen them happily playing together when I am indoors and they are out, so perhaps it is ME they are falling out over.
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21-01-2012, 09:51 AM
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Polo, Tara and Lady are trained to fetch their own ball when to their name or take it in turns if I only have one ball on me. They don't tend to try to get the ball of each other but if it is a close call for the same ball they would fight.

I remember Tara and Lady grabbing for the ball on the rope at the same time. They both began to tug and Lady's whole demeanour changed and she locked eyes with Tara. Oops! There was definitely a challenge going on and Tara did release the ball to Lady.

Polo started to run off with his ball instead of bringing it straight back to me. That all started with Lady chasing him and he would become agitated trying to escape her and growling. Not fun.

Our games are far more controlled and relaxing now.
Isn't it interesting how they all react differently to similar scenarios Mine usually seem to quite like competing to see who gets the ball first, and often the one who does get it will then tease the other into grabbing the rope and then they have a good old tug game. Unfortunately after yesterday, I think that will have to end.

I will start training each one to only go for the ball when I give them the release.

Nice to know your games are relaxing
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21-01-2012, 09:55 AM
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I also wondered whether the fight was because of their desire to bring the ball to you and be praised ?

Mine will have a tiff (and more in the past) over something thrown to be brought back but never over a tuggy toy that they're playing with themselves.
It could be Phil. I hadn't really thought of that, but it could be possible.

They seem to happily tug away on a toy together without any falling out.
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21-01-2012, 10:04 AM
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Ripley and sadie occasionally have a spat if they go for the same ball...I wouldnt over think it too much, but try to avoid the scenario of them both reaching it at the same time. I either make one of mine wait or pretend to throw it one way and instead thow it in the opposite direction (the collies still havent twigged on to this, but sadie has! )
You are right. I am not going to over-analyse, as these things happen.
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21-01-2012, 10:10 AM
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Spats can be frightening if you aren't used to them!

I am now, as Rue has been in our family for almost a year now. She still lives at my sister's but the dogs meet every week or so, and she comes to stay here for a few days once a month.

I learned very quickly that they were but minor disagreements, as dogs really DO go for it when they mean it.

Their spats are a noisy, scary and intense bout of snapping & snarling for only a few seconds, usually sorted by me shouting at them.

It has been a rite of passage I think, with them sorting out their differences and establishing priorities. We have had spats over things like:
Who gets to greet me first if I go out and come back (answer = Merlin).
Who gets to greet visitors to the house first, which neither dog has met before (answer = Merlin). (If it is someone Merlin has met before, then Rue automatically stands aside).

I have learned what Merlin may guard in terms of treats and toys, so those items are not allowed when both dogs are together.

The last spat was the night before Christmas Eve when I was cooking a ham. As usual when peeling the skin off I threw a bit for Merlin but didn't realise Rue was also in the kitchen. It landed near her, Merlin dived for it, and an argument erupted. One dog crashed into the vegetable rack and sent onions and potatoes flying like cannonballs which scared them even more! Merlin had a couple of toothmark 'dents' on his nose & muzzle; Rue had a dent near her eye and a slightly torn eyelid (which worried me for days but healed perfectly).

I am sure if both dogs only had a couple of toothmarks they were using very good bite inhibition, so it wasn't what I would call a serious scrap by any means, just a telling-off.

Most of the time they are good around each other and I see a lot of communication between the two that prevents confrontation. I guess it is just learning their triggers.
That's the thing, it is highly unusual for this to happen in my little pack. Hubby's dogs are often having minor spats between themselves, but mine generally get along really well. As I say, it has happened only once before in the same scenario - although there have been plenty of other times when they have reached the ball together and not fallen out over it.

The scary thing is that both Moss the first time, and Zak this time did not retaliate ... so it was actually Yogi attacking the other dog, rather than them having a spat iyswim. Horrid to see him shaking them both like he would a rabbit

Anyhow, no-one was injured and so, as you say, it wasn't a full on attack by any means. I will be more careful in future.
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21-01-2012, 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by youngstevie View Post
We do the same as SB, trained to ...'name and throw'.

Saves a lot of falling out, the others just wait till their name is called.

It helps with control too IMO xxx
Yep I can see it would do that. Going to try it
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21-01-2012, 10:18 AM
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Now Yogi has put the new boy in his place they should be OK IME. Let`s face it - both dogs have the capacity to seriously injure the other so if only a scratch was caused, they were both pulling their punches.
I take 3 identical ballies out now. One for Daisy, one for Prince... and one for the dog who is hacked off at the other one having both of them and going ner ner ner ner ner.
Thanks Claire. I hope that will be that. Zak certainly seems to have a little more respect for Yogi at the moment, but they are both quite ball driven, so will see what happens later. IO never thought about three balls, but that is also an excellent suggestion Just need to find some nice cheap ones on ropes now, as I hate throwing money down the drain (ie losing balls on a regular basis )
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21-01-2012, 10:28 AM
Originally Posted by Helena54 View Post
Mine know which one is theirs, they sometimes won't accept the other's ball, so if the other one has picked up "theirs", they take the opportunity when they can of nicking it back, but so far, I've never had any squabbles with any two dogs, not now, or before.

I hope that will be the end of it with Yogi and Zak, and whoever ended up getting the message across should mean that the other one will accept it and not attempt to do that again with a ball. When you think of the damage two dogs like yours could do to each other, I'm sure it was just a matter of them sorting it out in doggy language, otherwise things would have ended up a lot worse Kirsty.

I remember when Zena was a puppy and she went to nick Georgie's carrot from under his nose. Afterall, she had always been allowed by him to take what she wanted from him in the past, but not this carrot, he was having none of it, and the noise as he told her off From that day forward, if she wants something from him, she sits patiently in front of him, then lays down, and I'm sure she asks politely and he then lets her steal it away and slope off lol! Dogs! Love 'em!!
Thanks Helen, I hope that is an end to it - well, it will be down to me to make sure it doesn't happen again. The problem was caused because I had to resort to putting a rope through the kong yesterday and taking that with us, as between them they have lost any amount of balls just recently and we have run out. Obviously, with just the one they would have to share! Hmmm they clearly didn't approve.

It wasn't really a fight, as what happened was that they reached the kong at the same time. Yogi grabbed the toy and Zak went to grab the rope, then Yogi just dropped the toy and attacked Zak, shaking him like he would a rabbit Poor Zak just seemed to try to curl himself in a ball and squealed. Damn dogs! Anyway, as you say, Zak wasn't badly injured and if Yogi had really meant it he could have caused a lot of damage.
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21-01-2012, 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by nickmcmechan View Post
Guys, name and throw technique sounds good - any tips on training it?
Think SB has put up a link and advised how.

Only thing we do is send the most competitive first which is Bruce.

We do/have rota'd names.....like calling 'Skye' 1st....Tess 2nd ...Bruce 3rd, but this has in the past caused Bruce to be more competitive. We have found calling him 1st....... works best as he lies down with his ball whilst the others are chasing theirs
Mojo plays with her's with me whilst they are chasing she can never keep up
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