That is what I have been told by Cocker breeders I talked to about a year ago. They thought rage syndrome was no longer a live issue.

Hi Rachel - never seen a liver & tan Gordon will see if I can find a piccie. Do some Gordons come all black with absolutely no tan? I met a chap local to me who had an Irish and he told me the other one was a Gordon. I was a bit surprised as he didn't look as I would have expected him to.

Its good to hear that good breeders have managed to resolve the issue, its just unfortunate that it would seem that there are still disreputable breeders who haven't bothered and who are still breeding cockers with temperement issues.

Funnily enough white in certain breeds is one of the few 'colour prejudices' I can understand because of the very strong link to deafnesses.

Although I think white boxers look gorgeous and, as you say not all white boxers are deaf, I believe the ratio is sufficiently high to make it sensible to try to avoid producing whites.

And again, from what I've read, aren't white boxers most frequently produced through breeders breeding particularly for colour - i.e. trying to get the 'flashiest'?

Sorry to butt in here but I have seen a litter of Gordon/Irish Setter crosses and they were all black...I wonder if this is what his is?

I think i remember you asking on Dogsey about that as you weren't sure how that would work and Pod confirmed that it was possible?

(talking of whom, I haven't seen Pod on here for ages)

As far as I know yes.... certainly when breeding for showing, the current fashion is for 'flashy' boxers (which I don't particularly like)...

Last year, when I did a bit of amateur showing of Murphy, I kept being told that it was pointless showing him as he was too 'solid' in his colour (his only white is a chest patch and a couple of toes). We did get a 2nd at an open show, but the boxer that was 1st was indeed rather flashy.

Whites do often come with their own problems, however, not every white has them. I do have a soft spot for white Boxers, and the other day saw one whose only other colour was a brown eye-patch - he was gorgeous!

Neither of the boys litters had a white Boxer, or even a particularly flashy boxer in, as both parents are much of a solid colouring. Sire is red with a black mask and dam is red/brindle with a black mask.

Interesting - quite possibly! He just didn't look like a Gordon to me - he looked more like a Flat Coat Retriever from what I can remember. He was a beautiful dog.

It could be where GSD's are concerned that its because the other colours are still quite rare..

If you were to go watch Mals in the ring.. they would mostly be greys..with the odd B&W and the odd red..but overall the majority would be greys/seals

In the days when I was involved with showing and breeding parti colour cockers, solids and reds in particular had a reputation for having bad temperaments and I found that to be the case with some dogs when coming in contact with them at shows. Also with a couple of solids who came to me to be trimmed. They may be better these days but I would never have a solid always a parti colour .

I know I have one somewhere will see if can find it - its actually of David Hamiltons boy Max who was on Its me or the dog - not seen or heard of all black though - some of the working type gordons look very different (not all though!)

think there are some tri-gordons around? not 100% though!