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15-05-2007, 10:59 AM
i don;t have any probs with well heated kennels with good runs as long as the dogs get excercised as well ....mine live indoors its just what i prefer ..any would be mums should be well excersised well and in tip top condition before even thinking of breeding from her
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15-05-2007, 11:34 AM
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No, like I said in my opinion any breeder who keeps their dogs in cages, kennels or outdoors imo can't consider themselves to be a good breeder.

Dogs are pack animals they need to feel part of the family. Pups should be reared indoors with the family, that's my opinion.
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Any breeder who keeps their dogs in cages, kennels or outdoors imo can't consider themselves to be a good breeder
Its my opinion too!
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15-05-2007, 11:41 AM
This is just my opinion but as most dogs end up in the pet market. I think breeders should have their dogs and pups indoors at all times so that they can interact with people. I dont like dogs to be in outside kennels. It is an animal that we have turned into pets. So why not keep them inside. Surely they would turn out to be more sociable pets then and used to the everyday things that go on. What is the point of having a dog to keep it kenneled outside. Some may say we have too many to keep in the house well I am sorry but my answer would be why have so many. Of course there is the exception of the working farm collies and the like who are used purely for work. I can understand that. But we are dog lovers and may be I am in the minority but I beleive if we have a dog then why not let it live and sleep in the same house as we do. Or else why have a dog.
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15-05-2007, 12:39 PM
The original post was aimed at breeders but I think you could aim this at any dog owner.
I must make clear that abusing the use of a cage and caging a dog all day is cruel. Cages are beneficial used in the right situation and if the dog is familiarised with them in the right way.
As I said earlier, I have my dogs in the house with me. Is this best for them. I don't know because I've never given the opportunity to choose. What I do know is if they have the back door open, they are happier out in the garden than being inside the house.
Just because some people choose to kennel there dogs outside. It doesn't make them bad owners or bad breeders. I'm not talking about the people who lock their dogs in cages and kennels and only go out to feed them. That is cruel. But by having your dogs out in kennels is viewed by people as cruel.
There are two issues here. If the dog is kennelled outside but still enjoys the same exercise and the same interaction as those that sleep inside. Where is the problem.
Lets turn this on it's head. Do we have our dogs inside for the dogs benefit or do we have them inside for our own benefit ie, happy in the knowledge they are safe in the house etc. How many of us have trialled it and given our dogs the choice of whether they want to be in or out. I honestly haven't. The only thing I found was they were kennelled for small amounts of time whilst I was staying with friends. I have to say they didn't whine or anything. They were enjoying the company of the other dogs in the runs and regularly as I looked out they were running up and down with the other dogs.
Back home, where are my dogs whilst I am on the sofa. Normally in their favourit spot by the back door. If the back door is open they lie on the steps where it is cool for them.
I believe there is no right or wrong answer to this and every dog is different. They don't all function and react the same. On most occasions if you give a dog access to the outdoors, they will choose outdoors whilst keeping an eye on you.
Finally there are a lot of breeds out there who need to be kept separate and you can't leave them together and must air on the side of caution. For these breeds the safest method is to kennel them as we all know a door rarely does the trick.
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15-05-2007, 12:56 PM
I know someone near us with 4 dogs, who all sleep "outside" in a purpose built room. It is well ventilated and heated when it is cold, and they always have access to water etc.

They are very rarely "inside" dogs as she has horses and other animals and so the dogs are almost constantly outside with their owners and each other.

When she has had an occasional litter, the pups are born and live inside the conservatory.

They (and the rest of the dogs) are just as well socialised and adjusted as any other dog, they get plenty of interaction with humans and other animals.

What does it matter if they are kennelled outside and well looked after? I'd rather it was like that, than mis-treated inside!
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15-05-2007, 01:22 PM
Great posts Megan57 and Isochick ... totally agree!
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15-05-2007, 01:45 PM
I agree

I keep my dogs inside as pets, although when they are let out in the garden all day, they will happily stay there all night too if I let them, and have had to literally drag them inside at night before now
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15-05-2007, 02:35 PM
straying a little off topic hear folks
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15-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Inca View Post
straying a little off topic hear folks
I agree Inca. But the original post was regards caging dogs all day in a house. To that we all agree is cruel.
The second post bought in the kennelling outside issue which was relevant.
After certain postings making out all people that kennel outside are bad. This was a post that needed to be addressed from the dogs point of view and also from the ethical owner/breeders point of view.
Will try to stay more on topic though
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15-05-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally Posted by megan57collies View Post
The second post bought in the kennelling outside issue which was relevant
sorry mentor Hat on ...its not relevant to the origional question asked

not being funny just doing ma job
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