I can't help but notice that you have chosen to ignore the comments about this hurting the dog or causing it discomfort

hi

firstly..most peeps introduce themselves in the intro section first ... you'd of been seen slightly less of a salesman

2nd...what has rescues got to do with training to walk on a leash

i own what some would describe as 'difficult' breeds(and a couple of rescues of said breeds)... just takes extra time and thinking 'outside the box'.. patience....what a lot of dog owners lack...no tool takes the place of that imo.

personally i just dont like anything that tightens around the digs neck, the most i use is a half check but it is fixed so even that doesnt tighten past the length of a normal collar. i also train difficult dogs and have got wonderful results with the gentle Leader, always my preference for dogs that lunge and go mad at other dogs, you should teach your dog what you want through positive reinforcement, not plain force, which im afraid is what your collar is.
nice to see you anyway, its vicki here, from Rotherham

never used one and very much doubt I ever will but seems like a new take on an older design (CM/Illusion)

This looks to me like the Illusion Collar under another name. The only 'wonder' to me is that anyone would buy one.

Yes I spare a thought for rescue dogs, and I wouldn't use a collar like this one on them or on any dog
It looks to me that the collar works on the same principle as a choke collar, pull on it and it tightens like a noose only in this instance it is two nooses

I will pass on the invitation thanks , like many here I can train a dog without causing it discomfort .


ETA taken from the website...

I can't see any benefit on using a collar like this one on a puppy, for me improving behaviour is down to the trainer and the training methods not the equipment.
I don't see why it is necessary to use a collar which applies any pressure. I think applying pressure is stressful for the dog and it would be stressfull for this human too.

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There are far better ways that this collar to train dogs that don't put pressure on the dog & I deal with lots & lots of rescue dogs. Head collars actually help calm dogs for starters. I train initially off lead with all dogs & they learn that to walk with me is very rewarding & not in the least painful

So what are the benefits of using this collar over a regular collar? Surely you could explain those without us needing to come to Derbyshire?

This would be my preference if the situation allowed for it.

As far as I can see, the only resemblance it has to CM's "Ilusion" collar is that it is double.

Whatever the rights & wrongs of double collars, from what I have seen of the CM collar, the top part is actually a very thin cord-like slip-collar which tightens like a garotte and the second collar is only there to keep it in place.

So I'm not sure that it's an accurate or favourable comparison with this one, whatever the reasoning behind its usage is.

Edit: Just to clarify, I am referring to the collar in Azz's original post, the Scruffy Guider.

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WACK-A-SADIST
and selling sticks for using on people who are too stupid, sadistic or venal to understand that hurting animals is morally unacceptable.
Of course I will offer to change it (perhaps to SMACK-A-PLANKER) if Admin so wishes.
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