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29-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Patch 
The initial snap as described in such situations is a *visual* communication, not intended to connect. .....
You are misunderstanding the snap itself and how dogs use and perceive it within their own language. You seem to only see it as something done to connect and inflict damage.
If you are not understanding that its not what a visual snap communication is about then I am not describing it well enough for which I need to consider how better to explain it
Wysi help me out here !!!!
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29-04-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Wysiwyg
I think your first sentence explains it very well Patch, as you say it's not meant to cause damage at that stage...
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29-04-2007, 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Westie_N
Yes, I do agree with the dog being told off. Snapping of any sort is unacceptable, imo. It could result in something far more serious.
Dogs which are not allowed to express discomfort by either giving a grumble or a visual communication [ which is not done to attack but to be a visual indicator to another dog - they do understand the meaning, its their language ! ], are the dogs which often end up delivering a silent attack with no warning from which anyone [ or the other dog...], can react to in time to prevent a fight.
Dogs can learn to respond to word sounds and signals from us yes, but they also have their own species communications which are as important to them as talking words is to us within our human species.
You are still not understanding that a visual snap is just that, visual, nothing more, and if thats not acceptable to you then its like gagging how a dog can communicate effectively to *prevent* a fight between themselves as visual is their primary mode of communication.
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29-04-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Westie_N
Could you tell me your thoughts on this example, please, Wys:
1 1/2 year old Chocolate Labrador, bought from a reputable breeder at 8 weeks old. Healthwise he's fine.
The problem is, when a dog approaches him, on and off lead, in a wide open space with no other dogs around....On lead, he reacts by lunging, snapping, barking and growling...Off lead he reacts in the same way. No food is near him, or the other dog.
I'd have him and the owner for a chat, discuss everything from puppyhood in depth, also see him on a walk (perhaps using my dog as a "stooge" if the situation was suitable).
You have to appreciate it's nigh on impossible to comment without actually seeing the dog and owner and knowing tne full background
So tell me what the problem was and how you fixed it? :smt001
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29-04-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Westie_N
That isn't the case with every dog, i'm sure.
No definately not. In some cases, unfortunately, dogs have been punished for giving a warning so become stealth attackers instead.
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29-04-2007, 05:25 PM
I know we are not canines, and canines are in no way humans, I was replying to a scenario that was directed a me.
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29-04-2007, 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Westie_N
Hmmm...an initial snap could quite easily turn into a fight, imo.
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29-04-2007, 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Patch
No definately not. In some cases, unfortunately, dogs have been punished for giving a warning so become stealth attackers instead.
Again, your comment is not the case with all dogs.
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