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Cassius
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14-09-2011, 08:40 AM
As far as we know there hasn't been any training. Just continual repetition and denial of his aggression/biting etc.

No doubt her family will continue to treat him with the same contempt they have done so far. If she tells them not to pick him iup and as she said herself, she's told off her sister, I doubt very much they'll stick to it.

Also, how will they feed him if he won't accept most foods? Will they resort to shoving food in his mouth and holding his jaws shut?

Like I said before, I feel sorry for Max.
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14-09-2011, 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by Nippy View Post
Personally I would be concerned about a puppy/dog that growled at anything being taken away.
There again why would you take his food/toys away?
Now I'd consider it normal dog behaviour. Not "acceptable" to us humans but normal.

Not sure where you get the idea that an aggressive dog will bite if you take it's toys or food away from Resource guarding and genuine aggression are two completely different things imo. And a dog who's guardy with food may not be with toys and vice versa. Equally, an otherwise extremely friendly dog can growl or bite if you take its food away.
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14-09-2011, 09:52 AM
o/t 58kg stumpy wtf
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14-09-2011, 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs View Post
And your point is?

Squealing with a six month pup will excite it even more and think "wow gOod game,I bite they squeak like a toy(or prey)..making it rewarding in itself.
VERY good point. some dogs dont resp0ond to having ur back turned on them either, I had one pup was determined to bite me for attention, when my back was turned, jumped up and bit my shoulder, gettin a squeal lol
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14-09-2011, 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by juleze View Post
I always tell him a firm NO, ALL of the few times he growls. I hope that would correct it with time.
Not unless you`ve taught him English first.
Would you like us to recommend a good puppy training book?
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14-09-2011, 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs View Post
o/t 58kg stumpy wtf
I know. He's enormous. Not fat at all. Can see and feel his ribs etc. He's really tall - way oversized for a GSD.
Was a normal size as a puppy but just kept growing.
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14-09-2011, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
Not unless you`ve taught him English first.
Would you like us to recommend a good puppy training book?
You wouldn't believe how fast he's learning the language

I would really appreciate that.
Merci.
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14-09-2011, 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Stumpywop View Post
As far as we know there hasn't been any training. Just continual repetition and denial of his aggression/biting etc.

No doubt her family will continue to treat him with the same contempt they have done so far. If she tells them not to pick him iup and as she said herself, she's told off her sister, I doubt very much they'll stick to it.

Also, how will they feed him if he won't accept most foods? Will they resort to shoving food in his mouth and holding his jaws shut?

Like I said before, I feel sorry for Max.

Get off my back, Stumpy.

Till you stop stamping your stumpy feet (pun intended), like a child denied her lunch, and realize you've been rude, I'll not respond to whatever you say, no matter how false, or how far you twist my words wrongly.

Have a good day.
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14-09-2011, 09:02 PM
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Get off my back, Stumpy.

Till you stop stamping your stumpy feet (pun intended), like a child denied her lunch, and realize you've been rude, I'll not respond to whatever you say, no matter how false, or how far you twist my words wrongly.

Have a good day.


Your posts really are laughable! Are you embarrassed? I would be if that was all I could come up with!

Firstly, I don't stamp my feet, throw the teddy out the pram etc or whateve phrase you prefer to use. I have taken YOUR words and given advice. I have not insulted you. You'd know about it for sure if I did.

So grow up, stop trying to be clever or funny (because you are coming across as being sarcastic as opposed to facetious) and start training Max.

I have not been rude in any way. If you join a forum and keep on repeating yourself, asking the same questions over and over, at the same time as either refusing or ignoring advice whilst not bothering to answer questions, then people will keep on at you. If you don't like someone's opinion, tough! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and also to voice it, whether you like it or not.

YOU, in fact are the one who is rude. YOU have insulted me. YOU have said I need a nap (this has absolutely NO meaning, is NOT relevant to anything and is NOT funny or clever). YOU have said I am grumpy (this is NOT true and YOU are in NO position to make assumptions about me). YOU have WRONGLY stated that people from the UK are rude because YOU have WRONGLY assumed I am British (this has NO bearing on Max's training, is NOT relevant, is NOT funny or clever). YOU have said my feet are stumpy. So are you again trying to be clever (which clearly isn't working for you) or are you personally insulting me because of a disability I have? Wow - that's big of you isn't it. Stumpy is part of my username, but what if it wasn't? If my username was, for example, my middle GSD's name (Yiannis), would you have said " ...stiop stamping your Yiannis feet.."?

Maybe you should answer the questions put to you. Furthermore, making out that Max speaks or understands English is silly at best. Finishing off with one word in French is just as silly, particularly when you do NOT speak English that well: and yes, I am in a position to make such a statement. English is my third language and I speak/read/write it fluently.

Stick to concentrating on Max, his welfare, training, feeding, grooming, exercise and other aspects of dog ownership. If you made as much effort with that as you do trying to insult me and rile me you may become quite proficient at it. Aside from that, whilst you are trying to get at me personally it's not making a scrap of difference to me or anyone else on this board but clearly you're tying yourself up in knots over it. Well you go for it - knock yourself out! Well done - you must be very proud of yourself. And whilst you're typing this garbage about me, Max isn't being trained now, is he??! Very impressive.

YOUR childish comments (which have been commented on by also another board member as being ridiculous) aren't bothering anyone, least of all me. So feel free to continue with YOUR childish behaviour I have not made any false statements. Furthermore, I have NEVER denied a child their meal. Yes your words, not mine! Is this what you do to children in Nigeria when they don't do or say what YOU want them to? Am I now to assume that children in Nigeria are refused food if they voice an opinion YOU don't like?

If this is what you do to children, then no wonder Max isn't eating. I will ASSUME that you have refused him food because he hasn't done as he is told (or rather he has behaved like a dog and YOU don't like it). After all, you have admitted to shoving food he obviously isn't keen on into his mouth and holding it shut. As far as I am concerned, this is bordering on abuse. Would you like to have food you don't want to eat forced into your mouth and your jaw held shut? So it's hardly rocket science to work out that I am concerned about Max and feel sorry for him.

The bottom line is this...................
Max has been aggressive (whether YOU like it or not). Max WILL bite someone again without proper training (whether YOU want to accept that or not) YOU should have done your homework and researched dog ownership long before you even considered actually purchasing a puppy - something YOU just did NOT do. Now Max is suffering for it and getting the blame for YOUR inadequacy.

It was another board member who originally asked who would care for Max whilst you were in the UK. You still haven't answered this. you have already been asked more than once by more than one person to answer their questions. Strange isn't it how you answer some of them but not those you don't like the sound of. So one may come to the conclusion that you haven't bothered to make any changes. Instead you try to either be amusing or maliciously sarcastic; neither or which you are particularly good at.

When you go on holiday you will have to leave a list, including feeding times and what NOT to do with Max. The list will have to include instructions for grooming, exercise, feeding, playtime, training. YOU will have to decide who will do what and when. Anyone or everyone involved will have to do everything the exact same way otherwise it's not to Max's advantage.
Depending on when you go abroad, there should be enough time to see an improvement in Max's behaviour. But if he is taken for a walk, you should NOT expect other people to turn their music down, to turn their car engines off, to speak quiety etc. Max has to become accustomed to different environments and situations. Without socialisation, this will not happen. He should be accustomed to such things by now if you've had him most fo his life. So why have you left it until now to ask for help? Or was it the case that previously you just couldn't be bothered and now Max has hurt people.

You have been asked already to ensure Max is NOT allowed near children or babies. You openly admitted that AFTER he'd bitten you and your family members that you allowed him near a baby. Can you at least confirm that you will keep him away from babies and cildren?

Max has been and is still behaving like a dog. You need to treat him like one. He isn't a toy. He isn't a furry baby. He's a dog. You have allowed him to get away with unacceptable behaviours and have actively reinforced those behaviours. Now you want him to change but he hasn't done anything he knows to be wrong because you haven't taught him certain things are wrong. So basically as stated by someone else already, Max is suffering the consequences for your bad ownership techniques.
Maybe a pet that requires no training would have been more suitable for your household.
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