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07-02-2006, 07:15 PM
If you want a rescue that's really good if they happen to have a GSD x Mal puppy even better for you...

Don't pay silly money just to get the cross is the thing...It is a cross at the end of the day and should not be sold for a large amount of money, look for it to be the same amount of money as any other cross breed you would find.

Some still consider N.I.D's to be crosses at this stage but that is down to the individual...N.I.D's have received no crossing with other breeds for years, I'm sure one of the breeders can give you an exact time when any crossing was over and done with. They are 17yrs into the breeding now and becoming alot more of a 'type' than in previous yrs...The temperament is reliable because to the breed the temperament is just as if not even more so important than the looks, not that many would believe that because alot think they are just bred for looks alone but that isn't the case. You will know what you are getting with an N.I.D and this is why these dogs do sell more than a a true 'cross breed'...With the N.I you are taking much less of a gamble and can be more sure of what you are getting in my opinion.

Saying that the N.I might not be what you want at all...I think this is being used as a comparison because Mal and GSD amongst others was used in the original breeding programme....But a first generation GSD / Mal cross is alot different to the NID's we have now...So with the N.I you wont be getting a dog just like you saw in the park, they are different.

What ever you decide just don't go to a breeder crossing dogs and selling them for ridiculous money as all they are doing is ripping people off....The same thing can be found at rescue centres...Why not keep your ears and eyes open to see if one needs a home...Maybe contact the Malamute and GSD breed societies as they will often know of crosses that need homes.
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07-02-2006, 07:55 PM
Thanks yeah its my mum and dads dog so they wont pay 'stupid' money, but they did think my £400 for my pedigree husky was too much lol. i think its a case of my mum wants a nice dog (temprement) and she would also like a good looking dog and my dad wants an alsation and i love husky's and mal's so we all win lol.
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07-02-2006, 09:28 PM
But what about the health tests??? You are not going to get one from health tested parents and with GSD having hip problems are you willing to take the risk.I would expect that with the new 'fashion' for designer x breeds most 'breeders' will be asking £400+ for a cross breed pup from unhealth tested parents.
As for looking at the pups....ALL pups are cute....doesn't have any bearing on the dog as an adult.
My main concern apart from health tests is that buying from someone who has bred a litter of deliberate x breeds you are encouraging them to repeat the process .Not everyone who buys one will be aware of the work this kind of cross will require and a high number will end up in rescue.
If you have your heart set on a cross breed then please consider a rescue instead of lining the pockets of people using dogs to make money with no regard to their welfare.
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07-02-2006, 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Footybird11
Hi everyone, does any one know of any german shepherd x malamutes?
Let's hope not Anyone irresponsible enough to deliberately cross an Alaskan Malamute with a German Shepherd doesn't IMHO, deserve to have either dog!
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07-02-2006, 10:14 PM
Can i just say my old cross breed Golden retiever x red setter was a brilliant dog and lasted 18 years and i know of a GSD pedigree that died of 'old age' at 7, what would you rather have!? Also most pedigree's are very badly inbreed leading them to have and suffer from health problems more often then a cross. and no one can tell me i'm talking rubbish as i have a pedigree husky. And have had pedigree collies and GSD's.
Also i looked in a rescue centre today and was going to get a male neuterd GSD, which we socialised with and was going to meet with my husky when they questioned us only to say that if i don't get my bitch speyed they wouldn't let us have him, after my dad made a complete fuss of him and decided he really wanted him.
and as said above we wont pay loads for a cross, but whatever paid will more than likley be worth it.

and how were domestic dogs bred in the first place? crossing!!!
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07-02-2006, 10:20 PM
I don't think it's the fact that you are talking about a cross....it's the health implications that come with both breeds of dogs, and weather the 'breeder' will have done any health tests etc, and weather it was a 'planned' litter, and if it was, what research did the 'breeder' do to ensure the litter they were producing would be better than the pure bred dogs they could have had.
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07-02-2006, 10:30 PM
Well done for putting it politly , to be honest i know nothing about the parents of the pup i saw, but if and when we look for one i will check out the parents and check to see if they have had health checks done. and at the end of day as recently told NI and UTO's were breed from GSD Husky's and Malamute (all hip prob's) so why breed them?, what turned out to be a popular breed. any dog pedigree or not can get a health problem but its more common in pedigree's.
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07-02-2006, 10:34 PM
They breeds you mentioned weren't just 'produced' one day - like all breeds, it takes time, and a lot of effort and patience to create what is wanted, and it carries on taking careful consideration to carry on a breed, and keep it healthy etc.

My own breed (and dog) has hip problems, so do many breeds, but carefully selecting parents, who have had all health tests can help to eliminate these problems (but not eradicate them).

I think everyone is just concerned someone has just decided to throw 2 cute dogs together, as they will produce cute pups, and it may cause problems when trying to trace parentage.

By all means, if it's a cross you want, it's a cross you will probably end up getting, but it is essential the parents have had ALL health checks that those breeds should have had., otherwise, steer clear.
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07-02-2006, 10:43 PM
Thats one thing i will, always have and always will do and thats check parentage. also everyone has a different view of whats cute.
the one type of crossing i dont agree with is big dogs to little dogs eg what i saw advetised 2day newfoundland x collies (collie being female), and she had 9 pups.
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08-02-2006, 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by Footybird11
Can i just say my old cross breed Golden retiever x red setter was a brilliant dog and lasted 18 years and i know of a GSD pedigree that died of 'old age' at 7, what would you rather have!? .

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I would rather have A WELL BRED DOG from REPUTABLE BREEDER who has done thier RESEARCH and has had all HEALTH TESTS completed on both sire and dam .
I have known pedigrres live for many many years and mongrels die very young...the only certaintly is that if we buy from HEALTH TESTED parents we are reducing the risk of the dog we buy havomg genetic problems.
Let me say this...If a person has a bitch and decides to take a litter from her she has 3 choices....
1/complete health tests and if results are good enough research pedigrees and find a suitable dog to produce high quality pups
2/produce pedigrees using the dog next door...just cos its the same breed
3/produce a 'designer' x breed.
Now if that bitch has HD or a genetic eye disorder then litter 1 will not happen as a responsible breeder will not breed if there is a risk of passing on problems.
However litters 2 and 3 would happen since the health tests have not been done and the owner is onlivious to the problem.This does not mean that the problem will not be inherited by the pups....wether mated to dog 1/ or 2/
What we're trying to say is that the only way to produce pups responsibly is to use health tested parents of impeccible temperaments.I'm afraid the kind of people who deliberately produce x breeds in order to line their pockets very very rarely care about the health or future of the resulting pups.
I would also like to say that a visit to the vet is not 'health tests' as many of these money grabbers try to tell you.
Out of interest FB at £400 your husky was very cheap.Is he registered with the KC and were the parents health tested since you seem to infer he has health problems.
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I really think you need to do more research before you make such sweeping statements as I am afraid this really is not true.There is no problem with a certain amount of line/inbreeding as long as it doesn't occur in a pedigree too often.
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