Ive just got through reading all the posts.

And to be fair, I cant see how refunding £250 will stop people breeding. After all, if they are irresponsible owners who wont get the endorsements lifted by doing the correct health tests and whatever else is required, then what is £250 to that owner?

If you see this from the point of view of the owner who wants to make a profit from breeding said dog, then to them, £250 is nothing if they plan on selling each puppy for £700. I really cant see how it will stop irresponsible breeding of dogs.

Yes, it might provide some incentive to some of the owners to get their dogs neutered, microchipped and insured etc, but I can only see that being useful for those who struggle with money and would find that kind of pay back useful.

Maybe my way of looking at it is backwards, but to be honest, if i was an irresponsible owner who bought a puppy with endorsements and wanted to make a quick buck from breeding, then the £250 means nothing.

I know breeders cant always be certain of who they sell to, but hopefully you get it right most of the time and get owners who are aware of the ongoing costs of owning a dog, and IMO, some of those fundamental costs are insuring, microchipping, vaccinations and neutering. Its something new owners should be better educated about, and made aware of by the breeder if need be so that they understand that the price of the puppy is the first hurdle, and they should consider putting money aside each month to pay for these things that need to be done at a later date.

If they cant afford those things, then they should not buy a puppy. The breeder shouldnt have to refund the money to the owner. If the owner can't put money aside for those things, then whats to say they will bother to take it to training, take it to the vet etc. How far do you want to go with 'positively reinforcing' owners to take the right step?

As an Aside - she has a discounted price for people she knows are going to work the dogs - which is a different twist on it I guess......what do you think of that?

Personally I dont understand that, doesnt make her a bad breeders in my eyes though. Just the same as we dont ask more or less if you are intrested in showing a pup from here if its good enough..


To me it says you dont trust them, because you are telling them that if its done they will gain something from it.. You cant just trust them to get it done of their own back, because you asked.. You feel you need to give something to make sure they do... Like I said not saying it wouldnt/couldnt work..just not for me (who will probs never be a breeder so doesnt make a difference to me)!.

we do not live in an ideal world.

....its called an incentive and a little push in the right direction....its not that they are always too skint to do the things,it just reminds them and gives them a push to hopefully do the right thing.

i am meaning more of the 'pet dog' rather than one bought for the intention of breeding and making money from.

not their responsibility! yours!

..at the end of the day the only money is the only thing that ties you to the pups you have bred...then they are not yours anymore..... so if it can help the number of dogs bred and the quality too....dont see the prob!! money is money lives are lives imo.

Does the breeders of your dogs do what you would expect of them? Do you consider you bought from breeders who have the breeds welfare at heat and breed responsibly?

lol your talking the breeder of two of my dogs( have 9)... of only one i paid for.......what has that got to do with what im saying? im talking if i was to ever breed again(which i doubt) i would consider adding it into the contracts.

you have to get the dig in dont you?

lol your talking the breeder of two of my dogs( have 9)... of only one i paid for.......what has that got to do with what im saying? im talking if i was to ever breed again(which i doubt) i would consider adding it into the contracts.

you have to get the dig in dont you?

Every time and every thread---nice to be so predictable.

rune