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08-01-2010, 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by spot 
Can I ask then why is it so bad to take the commercial side away? BD has said it is all about the money - so confusion rules as they say
Oh and are you up for joining me and Tazer for a group tree hug - enhanced?
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08-01-2010, 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by galty
No way will I ever criticize any one who genuly helps not only Greyhounds but all dogs.
Hanna in no way helped these greyhounds she did not do her job took the money and took a video after breaking into the kennels in the middle of the night and she had left/sacked the job
Sue Haigh told us everything was alright now that Hanna had gone, she and her husband had it all in hand.
Six months later she does the same thing as Hanna and produces a Video after she had left/sacked
You are wrong when you state that I am critise any one who helped the 75 year old Eve Blanchard after she and her dogs had been conned by the Anties.
It was only the industry who helped her in the end and no matter the spin you try to put on it I support there efforts.
Yes she stated that her retired racers that had to go that she would rather see PTS than fall into the hands of the Anties after her dealings with Hanna and Sue but she was persuaded to rehome 12 of her retired dogs with the help of Noarh and the industry.
You state that Hanna walked off the job but in another post you stated that you did not know what Hanna I was talking about.
Sue and Neil made fantastic improvements at the kennels until Blanchard turned on them because Neil asked another trainer to talk to Blanchard about re-homing some of her dogs which were effectively kennelled up in solitary confinement for years on end - just rotting away.
Blanchard was not conned by anyone - she was exposed as an animl abuser and deserved to be prosecuted in a crimanl court for the cruelty she inflicted on those greyhounds.
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08-01-2010, 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Navajo
Link.......?
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/co...fare/index.htm
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08-01-2010, 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by Navajo
The track where I run my dogs is a safe track, as already stated in the PM, I was a stones throw from Swansea track yet travelled miles down the M4 to run them at the Valley because it's a safer track and I know the surface will always be near perfect. After this cold spell the dogs will be re-trialling as they haven't raced for so long, if I didn't care, why would I bother? The track hasn't run since the 17th Dec because the surface isn't right, yet some of you state that flapping is worse than GBGB racing?
Like I say, whenever we run pointers, great if they get placed or win but realistically it's a huge bonus if they come home safe!
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08-01-2010, 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
Therefore she did not sustain a racing injury.
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08-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by chaz
I think that your missing the point, which correct me if I'm wrong Navajo, is that any dog, and breed any where can sustain injuries, its not just hounds on a track.
As the research is specific to racing injuries and companion animals do not suffer 'racing' injuries then clearly the research would not benefit companion animals.
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08-01-2010, 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
This may come as a surprise but companion animals do not suffer 'Racing Injuries'.
All research by all vets will benifit all animals, be them racing greyhounds or companion dogs.
Correct me if I am wrong, but a greyhounds anatomy is constructed the same as any other dog, they have muscles and bones , and ALL can be injured doing the simplest of things. so what injuries can racing greys get a pet dog cant??
An ethical vet will use complimentary therapy wherever possible and will only destroy a healthy animal as a last resort, when all other options - such as re-homing - have been exhausted.
So here's a thought for you, your dog needs specialized treatment, the vet that is recommended for the job, he is the best in his field, but you find out one day he was at some point in his earlier career, was what you hate, he has been involved in research on the greyhounds injuries, and this is how he has gained such expertise , does your dog who needs his skills, pay the price for your convictions, or do you allow said vet to treat your dog????
Originally Posted by Jodie
Jackbox was defending the use of racing greyhounds for research and dissection by claiming the research would benefit companion animals.
As the research is specific to racing injuries and companion animals do not suffer 'racing' injuries then clearly the research would not benefit companion animals.
Hence , my point, a greyhound used in research, will benifit ALL dogs, even maybe one of your own one day.
A vet needs to "practice and have an understanding of the dogs anatomy , bone structure , muscles and tendons , not to mention organs.. they cant do so , unless they have "guinea pigs" to practice on.
So it is irrelevant , for what ever the reasons behind the dissection, the vet learns, and you are the recipient of his experience!! or your dogs are.[/COLOR]
Your principles seem to be, you protest about the way the expertise is got, but are willing to accept it when needed!
My farrier, used to practice and conduct his reseach on th eleg/hoof of a horse, most were racehorses, I was very grateful he learnt his expertise to treat my horses feet when needed.. where and on what he learnt it, did not matter to me.
As long as said animals are euthanised humainly, thats all that counts.
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08-01-2010, 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
What exactly are you referring to as regards DEFRA's website?
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/co...d-guidance.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/co...nstruments.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/co...consultees.htm
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