Copy the image code from Photobucket, not the link code and the pic will appear in your post rather than via a link. By the way, welcome

Ah, will try that then...I'm so useless with all this sort of stuff!

I think you'll find most dogs of all breeds would bark etc and try to defend their property and family. That is the natural instinct of dogs. NOT just GSDs.
Also, GSDs are a herding breeding; not a guarding breed.

GSDs are NOT a guarding breed. Never have ben, never will be. They will defend their proeprty and family because they are extremely loyal. Nothing to do with being a guarding breed.

GSDs are lyoal and will protect their ownera etc. However, many dogs of most other breeds would do exactly that. Maybe a different example would get your point across more easily.

I could say exatly the same about your knowledge of GSDs.

You seem to be opf the opinion that you and you alone know about SBTs. I grew up mostly with GSDs and Akitas so am well aware of the stigma attached to the ownership of certain breeds. However, we also owned SBTs and I have family who used to breed - having produced pups that went on to become champion (not in this Country but in Spain, Germany and Holland). None of their pups turned out to be DA. Maybe they were just lucky.

But where so many healthy, non-DA dogs (including pups) are pts each day purely because there is no room for them, should a DA SBT end up inthe pound they have very little chance, if any at all, of getting a new home. It's hard enough to assess a dog in kennels anyway but if they are DA and are able to see the dog in the kennel next to them, they will be labelled as aggressive and handed a death sentence. This could all be so easily avoided.

No, it wasn't a cop out at all. I was never NOT going to answer you, i have just been busy. What i said about pedigrees, is true. The scenario you have just painted, is never going to happen, there will never be 2 dogs the same. I understand that your question was "hypothetical" but there's really no point in answering it. What i will say, is what i have said previously. I would NOT specifically go looking for a dog aggressive stud dog to use, but if the dog that "I" deemed to be the best stud dog for my bitch was dog aggressive it would not stop me from using it.

If you have sat and read through all of the posts, you will i'm sure be aware that i have already answered most of the points that you have made.

I have no intentions of adopting any dog, so if that question was directed at me, i'm not too sure why ?

I have also made the pojnt that i do not feel that i am adding to the number of Staffords in rescue, and why !

Who do i home pups that i have bred with ?...... Responsible owners that i feel understand what they are taking on and will be responsible enough to cope with the demands of owning a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Not someone who will be surprised in 18 months time that their dog/bitch has become dog aggressive and now wants to rehome him/her. Should they not be the owners that i thought, and decide they no longer want the dog/bitch. I will happily take him/her back.

.... See above, what do you mean NOT the ordinary family ? Any pup i have ever bred lives within an ordinary family. Their family just has an understanding that there is the potential for their dog to no tolerate other dogs when he/she matures. They are all loving family pets !

Are you suggesting that i only home any pups i have bred with scumbags too ?

I agree with what you say about alot of dogs being sold on the net (Again if you had read all of the posts in this thread, you will see that i have already said as much) For the record, any pups that we have bred have ONLY ever been advertised on 1 site, that requires an annual membership, KC registration documents and asks the health status of both parents. Although reservations have been taken before, we can never guarantee anyone anything because i do not know how many or what sex i will want to keep for myself until they reach a certain age.

YOU were dissapointed that your daughters dog was dog aggressive, because you wanted to do things that you should have known are not always possible with owning a Stafford ? Maybe if you had been given the right advice on the breed, you wouldn't have taken a Stafford, and would have considered something more suitable to your wants and needs ?

Again to your last question about me adding to the rescue numbers..... I do not believe i do ! I have and will continue to donate to Stafford rescue !

I am very glad that 2 dogs have now found homes.. I hope that homing a known dog aggressive dog with it's mother does not come back to bite the rescue in the behind ! A dog can decide that it does not want to be around it's sire/dam just as easily as it can decide that it does not want to be around any other dog. Now THAT would be really irrisponsible !

Stumpywop...

I did apologise for using the German Shepherd as an example so often, and maybe i should have used a different example.

My Staffords do not bark and try to defend their property

I wasn't trying to suggest that German Shepherds are the only dog that can display guarding instincts (Apologies if it came across that way) My point was that they can and do display "guarding behaviour" not that they were specifically a "guard dog".

I'm also not trying to imply that i have a vast knowlege of the German Shepherd. They are used by police forces across the world, and they excell in protection work. (Along with a few other breeds) Thus giving them the impression of having "guarding instincts"

Although i suspect you now exacrtly the point i was trying to make.

I do not wish to turn this into a German shepherd "Guarding" thread, so i will not use them as an example again

BUMP, just incase you missed this again ?

Mother and daughter are great together, they are only two and three, but are like two peas in a pod, mum is probally what Staffy breeders would prefer, short and stocky girl, beutiful red, daughter is more leggy, more slim and brindle, more like what I've found most pet owners (myself included) prefer, mum loves everyone, and is so piggy when she gets excited, comes running over happy as larry and gets on with other dogs, daughter is happy to meet anyone, I tried to get a pic yesterday got knocked over , and will accept dogs in the other kennels most of the time, and will ignore others unless they step into her personal space, which can be a very big space, then she's totally different, but mother and daughter love each other, and will share beds, and have to be stopped eating out of the same bowl. Gotta love pairs like that, and will miss them loads after they've been spayed, but they are not rare, nor is their relationship.

I really do hope that they and their new owners live happy lives together !

I'm sure that you were responsible enough to make sure that their new owners were aware that the dog aggression that the daughter displays, "could" also be shown to her mother at some point. just making the owners aware is half of the battle.

ETA: I have just re-read that and it sounds as if i am trying to talk down to you, i'm not

I know what you mean about trying to take pictures, i usually end up on my backside smothered in mud, with hundreds of pictures of tongues and tails !