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20-01-2008, 08:15 PM
Excuse me, Stumpy, I did NOT call you names so please refrain from doing so yourself!
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20-01-2008, 08:20 PM
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That is very strange as I have been asked to take her in case the two dogs cannot be re-socialised.
Very strange indeed. No matter what has happened the dog has suffered. Could mnot give to fryer tucks about the owner or mugford. No dog deserves to die this way.Who is at fault, governemt leglisation, Mugford, and the owner.
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20-01-2008, 08:23 PM
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Excuse me, Stumpy, I did NOT call you names so please refrain from doing so yourself!
Ok Egar, i just got anoyed that you thought i was the plonker phillpott
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20-01-2008, 08:23 PM
They lived together just fine before they were confiscated and separated...
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20-01-2008, 08:37 PM
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They lived together just fine before they were confiscated and separated...
Sorry to tell you mate they did not, well when mugford went to inspect them shortly after they were seized, as he got the both of them near each other, then set about having a go at each other. This was witnessed by a student veterinary nurse who was on work experience with the dog wardens in Belfast council. Mugford had to use a spade and hit them over the head to split them up. The reason this was not mentioned too much in court is because the student was asked to come as a witness, she was strongly advised by the veterinary college in Scotland not to go as it could jeopardise her career if she went up against mugford. Preventing the course of justice I think it’s called. Not my words but the word of a worker in the park where they were kept, and the park worker cant stand Philpott so why would he lie, also the dog warden seen it.
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20-01-2008, 09:16 PM
I have spoken to many people re this and let me assure you, they were fine AT HOME but once they were locked up at a Safari Park the stress level was too much. A dog doesn't have to be a Pit Bull to go for another dog in times of severe stress.
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20-01-2008, 09:47 PM
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I have spoken to many people re this and let me assure you, they were fine AT HOME but once they were locked up at a Safari Park the stress level was too much. A dog doesn't have to be a Pit Bull to go for another dog in times of severe stress.
I will accept what you have said that you have spoken to people who assure you they were fine. Why did the owner stated on the news she took the decisions to have the dog put to sleep as it would not get on with the other one, why did she not tell the truth that it attacked the friendly one and came off worst, so much so due to its injuries it had to be put to sleep. She failed to mention it was mugford who put them together, so as far as I am concerned he is to blame when he knew what they were capable of. It’s the same as tiny that Antrim council seized the last time mugford when to see him, he sunk the teeth in him and he still said he is a friendly delightful dog. When will people realise he is only in it for the money, such a good animal physiologist he could not even work that out. Even the dog warden in Belfast said at the court house when in the stand that mugford could not tame this dog.

The only reason mugford is over here is because he is no longer used in England. If you are caught with a pit bull in England and are taken to court, if you are found guilty or plead guilty and you can prove to the courts your dog is not a danger to the public, the magistrate can put it on the exception registrar with conditions it has to be muzzled in public, neutered, and insured. Good idea so mugford is no longer needed.

The problem in Northern Ireland is this exception registrar no longer exists so the court must order the dog to be destroyed, unfair? I would say yes, discrimination? Yes
Had this exception been extended to NI this case would have been over long time ago and without the interference of money grabbing mugford. This would also prevent family pet pits being unnecessarily being destroyed, would you not agree?
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20-01-2008, 10:00 PM
A dog doesn't have to be a Pit Bull to go for another dog in times of severe stress.[/QUOTE]

True but its a well known fact that pit bulls will fight to the death where other dogs will only go so far as to defend themselves, No my words but the words or Roger Mugford, also I quote from hannsared debate houses of commons 1991 the words Roger Mugford "all pit bulls go bad, its when they reach 12 months of age" what age was Roxy?
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20-01-2008, 10:02 PM
There was no fight. The dog were taken for a long walk with Roxy being muzzled. Afterwards they were taken into the garden at which point Roxy flipped and lunged at the other dog. She was still muzzled so a shuffle ensued but no fight. There was no press present only a lady called Melissa who films for Roger Mugford. None of the dogs were injured and the decision to PTS Roxy was solely done by her owner as she felt and I quote:
felt it was unfair to pass her from pillar to post and said that rather than her go to rescue and back to kennels possibly she was going to pts due to kennel stress
Roger Mugford was opposed to this but there was little he could do as he too saw the devastating effect such a long time in solitary confinement had done to her.

He was present when she was PTS'd.
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20-01-2008, 10:06 PM
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True but its a well known fact that pit bulls will fight to the death where other dogs will only go so far as to defend themselves, No my words but the words or Roger Mugford, also I quote from hannsared debate houses of commons 1991 the words Roger Mugford "all pit bulls go bad, its when they reach 12 months of age" what age was Roxy?

I don't know where you get your facts from but have you ever seen Terriers fight? Or illegal Badger baiting with Terriers? I have had collies and GHs fighting in my kennels and believe me if I hadn't managed to separate them one of them be dead now.

And as to the all pits go bad - meet Bogey my own Pit Bull who is 6 1/2 now:






And Roxy was not an APBT.
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