ditto ...frankly I'm sick of wearing a hair shirt and reciting the 'mea culpea' simply because I breed pedigree dogs good enough for the show ring ! - the bottom line is that ONLY breeders can make a difference - all the hot air, finger pointing and name calling in the world won't make an iota of difference - unless of course all our detractors are prepared to get of their backsides and try breeding healthy, well constructed, good tempered , low COI dogs of the over 300 individual and unique breeds themselves !! - we're
the ones that hold all the power because we're the ones doing the actual breeding - instead of alienating us why not try listening to what we have to say ...or even better try working with us ...but of course such an approach isnt nearly as attention grabbing as Ms Harrison and the RSPCA's sensationalistic " all pedigree dogs are freakish mutants " approach - and this latest 'personal viewpoint' PDE 2 will be more of the same - despite the real truth that it is the show world and breeders within it that do the MOST in terms of testing , issuing contracts of sale , calculating COI's , compliling databases and funding research than any other sector - will we hear this - hell no !

I will not be watching it as its a "personal viewpoint" from a journalist who wants sensationalism end off. Someone who has never bred a litter or indeed contributed any of her money to aid any dog health research unlike the ones she condemns

I doubt that very much, said producer is bound to use this second one to have a go back at all the critisim she recieved after the first.


Do they, ?? no in my experience they dont.

Point of note, a friend has a litter at the moment, not one of her prospective owners has asked her any questions regarding health or KC register..... hows that for common sence and education said programme has instagated.

Most pet owners dont care one way or the other where their new pup comes from, if they did we would nto have byb and puppy farmers.

Good post.

Maybe they couldn't find any?

rune

I truly doubt it, Rune. I'm not into breeding, but know of some excellent breeders and I haven't really done any extensive searching.

I know several who do seem to be--but when you look closer sometimes (I said SOMETIMES) they aren't what they seem.

I think often the temperament is the sticking point. That is my experience anyway---also with the x breeds and working bred dogs I hasten to add.

rune

My problem is that Jemima Harrison deliberately omitted the fact that the two dogs(Cavalier & Boxer)featured were not KC registered & didn't have any KC registered dogs within 5 generations. She has admitted publicly(on another forum)that the program would not have been so sensational if she had given the background of the two dogs(The Boxer being the result of a brother/sister mating between 2 pet dogs)

Er No No No No

It simply showed 2 pedigree breeds of dogs that have serious health problems-no mention of how to find a breeder that did all the tests

It deliberately omitted information like the 2 GSDs shown were not bred in the UK & one wasn't even resident in the UK & the poor movement shown was an unrelated 6 month old puppy at another show

It omitted totally a section on the Irish/Irish Red & White Setters which showed the breeders in a good light(having bred out CLAD & PRA)by health testing-why simply because it was showing the KC breeders in a good light(JH has admitted this)

JH has not done anything to help the research early cancer deaths in her chosen breed(Flatcoat Reteivers)

well i will watch it as its hard to be able to comment on something if you havent watched it.

The last one was very biased and i do feel didnt make it clear enough that while pedigree dogs have problems puppy farm dogs and x breeds have just as many and often more problems.

It did however raise some very good points and did show to some people not already aware how lacking the KC is when it comes to moving forward. Its still a bit of an old boys network and while it has made baby steps in the right direction i feel it could do more.

I plan on lightly showing my next dog and i have nothing but respect for JH too

You know that video the KC released called "happy, healthy dogs" or something like that? Well, the Bulldog breeder featured in that video at around 15 minutes in is exactly what breeders should be doing IMO, not turning a blind eye to the problems apparent in their breed. I have nothing but respect for those devoted breeders who ARE making changes and are concerned about the welfare of their breed as a whole. I read on another forum last night that they someone had seen a video where a Pug breeder said it was "no big deal" when the dog would pass out due to not being able to get enough air, it was "no big deal" because the dogs got back up again That is the kind of breeder that i seriously have to question what the dogs mean to them when they come out with such dismissive attitudes towards the welfare of their dogs. Sadly, while i'm sure the majority of breeders are doing their very best and are raising happy, healthy dogs, it's breeders like that Pug one that need attention drawn to them and if that means more exposure through documentaries then so be it.

What would i like to see in PDE2? Definitely some positives, such as the changes that have been made by the KC since the first PDE and how these changes have been implemented. Lets see some breeders who are doing everything right ( like the Bulldog breeder in the KC's own video ) While puppy farming does need attention, i don't think PDE2 is the right show for that.