Thanks for the link - really interesting. I'm still abit bemused about some of the crosses
Katia

Very cute.....different again from the 2 I have coming.

But Great she came from health tested parents and the breeder cares what happened.

I was recently talking to one lady (whose cocker poodle x is 8 months) and she wants to have a litter...no thoughts of health testing or anything else....just because it would be nice...THAT is specifically what I have an issue with.

At the end of the day at the beginning of each breeds time they were crossed with other breeds at some point or another and have been breed to conform to a specific look and temprement. Sometimes for good sometimes for looks which can seriously implicate theyre health. You just need to look at where breeds have started to how they look now some are similair and I do prefer working types because of this however some there are substantial changes as far I can see just from looks.

Yes with a pedigree you know exactly what your getting but some people just enjoy cross breeds. I love my cross breeds to bits. I dont even know what they are made up of but I couldnt care less and they have had the very worst start out in life. They were rescued theyre here now and Im giving them the very best that I can. They were abandoned because of poor owners not there breed. Cut out the bad owners not just a certain dog because it isnt down in a book as conforming.

I dont feel its fair to say all breeders of doodle type dogs dont care dont have ethics dont have this dont have that. Thats the same as saying everyone who breeds pedigrees are just in it for the money as you can get ridiculous money for some pedigrees. Of course it just is not the case. There is a minut amount of people who because of there actions get the entire lot tarred with the same brush because of their idiotic actions.

Yes there will be some doodle breeders who will see the hype and say im going to capitilise on that but surely everyone must do that otherwise we wouldnt have common breeds and rare breeds on the UK. Everyone can see the pedigrees that are sought after and very common are widely available a lot end up in rescue becasue of unaware health implications or just discarding after breeding, does that mean we cut out the pedigrees too? There are breeders who specialis solely on one form of doodle "breed" I find these are the most responsible as they arent just breeding this that and the next thing for money they are breeding a crossbreed which they know. As long as they are ethical, test (which a lot do!) and ensure the best homes are provided to these puppies why is it such a crime.

Why not focus on the puppy farmers rather than those who just enjoy poodle crosses. May sound ridiculous but im not a big fan of poodles but I think "Schnoodles" are absolutely adorable. I know it could end up more this or mre that but either way I prefer that. Just me and I dont feel quilty about that. If I were to get one (which im not next one is a RBT ) I would ensure the pup was from the very best background. I know of 4 cockapoos you can tell small differences as you would between pedigrees but they all have curly coats, all non moulting, all playful, all intelligent, all healthy and all brought into the world ethically.

Preparing for every word to be torn apart in this as usual, i just think the hate which seems fair enough to say can be focused on worse practices of breeding. Poor breeding in general should be driven out whether pedigree or cross. Wheres the love people lol If all breeders ensure the prospective owners are aware of every possible health implication generic to breeds and the likely temprament and how they will look when and adult surely this would reduce rehoming numbers whether cross or ped. Again if prospective owners do theyre research on breeders whether of cross or ped to ensure the appropriate tests are carried out, no inbreeding ( :@ ) and are ethically produced we can run out poor breeding in crosses and peds.

So what about the reverse - where people buy crossbreeds from fully health tested parents (BTW what you call "fully" I would probably say is insufficient) as opposed to those who buy "pedigree" (KC recognised) dogs from parents who have no health tests but that the buyer thinks is OK because they are KC registered (which means little or nothing other than they know the line). The line, does not necessarily have to have any tests at all (according to the KC).

I've heard many people say "well of course my dog is healthy, his parents were both KC registered champions".... so what... the KC does not enforce (in fact has helped to stop) health testing by its inaction...


I probably paid far less for my dog whose parents (both of whom I met) both have extensive tests (and good results) than a lot of people who buy "pedigree" (KC registered dogs) with nothing but a bit of paper with some 'fancy' names written on it (and openly get that if they're lucky). They are duped into believing that because they buy a KC registered dog that it some way makes it OK...


... I don't think its "designer" dog buyers who are the ones being duped !

and I bet for everyone one you have heard say that I have heard ten say there dogs must be healthy because their cross breeds.
Sad really but In both cases health testing should be done. and Yep the KC should be selecting health tests and require them done before registering pups.

I will say one thing with owning cross breeds which may be awful to say. The only thing i dont like about my two who are complete mongrel is I have no idea of possible health implications. Thankfully (touch wood) both are very healthy atm. However sadly with a ped you tend to know what to watch out for health wise. But with the doodle crosses wouldnt have this problem as you know their make up so know again what to watch for health wise. Its just as I have no idea at all of the make up of my girls I just need to keep my eyes peeled for anything.

I would agree to a point but I don't think that with any dogs you can foresee the health problems. Its true to say that dogs of "unknown origin" present less at vets, but that could be for many different reasons, not necessarily because they are healthier.

On the flipside, many KC registered breeds have known problems yet are still bred. Remember that when most of the breeds were designed, there was no health testing so their history is a bit hit and miss. This follows through to crosses as they are bred from the known breeds so again, you don't really know whether the original breed was healthy as it was bred without knowing what the consequences could be.

With some DNA testing you can narrow down the risks but this is slow moving and with the apparent objections of some breeders (possibly worried about what such tests may reveal) the KC is slow on this as are KC registered breeders.

Some KC registered breeders are trying to take this forward, as are some breeders of crossbreeds (although the latter is hampered by the diatribe of BS (mostly from KC breeders) about all crossbreeders being puppy farmers).

Don't bet too much on that. A lot of crossbreed owners are nervous to talk to any other dog owners... seeing some of the comments on here I can see why.

Most cross owners I have meet, Dont even realise they have a cross breed..... and are full of themselves, their dog and their dogs breeder without even realising how much the truth has been twisted.

You should point them in the direction of our forum then... we have quite a few twisters of the truth and loads of us stupid enough to believe... its an all round durrhfest