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Hi Jackbox, going quite well this thread `aint it ?

Remember that immortal phrase issued by John McEnroe when frustrated by the Umpire ?

John McEnroe - "You Can Not Be Serious man"

John Bull

Woman

how sitting on a time bomb?? APBTs are NOT breed to have human aggression, therefore how can they be a time bomb? the only way they are a time bomb is if the owner doesnt treat them right, and trains them specific to be human aggressive, that isnt in their nature! so being a time bomb, would be the nurture side of he debate.

so what if they bring in a law saying boxers are illegal?? would you be willing to give up your dogs to get killed? if BSL keeps going, we will be left with NO dogs.

Were did I say human aggression

Re.highlighted, I think I said that!!



If a law was brought in to include other breeds, I would assume it would be of the same as the one we have now,

All breeds that are classified to be ilegal, would be allowed to live their life out, as the Pitbull was when the legalisation was brought in.


I would NOT then, 15 yrs down the line go and buy a breed that I new at some point going to be taken away from me.

You used the fact that some people use pit bulls for fighting as a reason for retaining the DDA. I pointed out that the DDA doesn't prohibit dog fighting so it's a bit of a misplaced argument.

As I have already said - 95% of dogs prosecuted under sec 1 have not been bred for fighting and are harmless family pets. I am basing this on the fact that 95% of exemption applications are successful and for that to hppen the court be feel assured that the dog presents "no threat to the public" and that won't happen unless the court is happy and the police raise no objection.

Secondly, if a dog has been bred for fighting - lets say it is 'game' bred - then it may represent a risk to other dogs but it will be even safer around people. dogs bred for the fighting ring are among the safest of breeds to have around people. The 'timebomb' reference is cheap sensationalism at its worse. This clip explains this well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXBUtBCEjo4

Which dogs? KC registered Staffordshires have been deemed 'type'. Should people not breed staffs? The DDA does not concern itself with parentage. Several perfectly legal breeds share the same risk as the Staffordshire and any number of crosses of perfectly legal breeds can be deemed type. Just recently I have heard about staff/boxed, golden retriever/sharpei and Great Dane cross mongrel falling foul of sec. 1.

Oh hell Jacko, I just cannot tell the difference on this Forum by name and never knew about that little marker at the top.

I`m a new guy on the block, but will improve. I just have to take my Pit Bull for walkies in the dead of night in case some snoop spots me.

Anyway the Umpire WAS a man, still a good expression though eh ?

if you arent talking about human aggression, then in what way are they a time bomb??

i dont know much about what happened here, in the UK (im not old enough too), but in america many APBTs are just getting taken off their owners and PTS. considering what happened with Staffs in merseyside, i doubt the UK let all dogs live out their life.

so why cant we use that excuse then?? its true, it is the owners not the breed

I have an aunt in the USA. She owns and has bred pitbulls. Her dogs are so sweet natured and have never attacked another animal because they have been raised correctly. If someone was to breed fighting dogs but the pups were removed before being introduced into fighting I would bet my next pay check that the pups would grow to be lovely dogs. Nature vs nurture is a silly way to look at it. Other breeds that are bred for hunting could go to a home purly as a pet and live in harmony with what is ment to be their prey. I know a greyhound that lives with rabbits. The government looked at the dog fighting problem and chose the easiest solution, ban the breed. What they didnt see was the well loved pitbulls in family homes. They made the problem worse by banning the breed IMO

Did I, were did I mention the DDA??

I referred to the fact that people use the pit in the UK for fighting, and that they were an illegal breed...

Never mentioned the DDA.... that I think is your misinterpretation!