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View Poll Results: do you think 12 weeks is to young to neuter a puppy
yes 83 83.00%
no 12 12.00%
dont know 2 2.00%
sitting on the fence 3 3.00%
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dollyknockers
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01-11-2007, 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by bajaluna View Post
when I got my shepherd they told me he was a girl and gave me a spay voucher It wasnt till I got the dog to my vet (straight from the shelter)that we realised he had extra parts and actually wasnt a girl he also had a 104 temp so thank god they didnt put him under to spay him anyway the point of my post is the voucher they give you you have to use at one of the shelters supporting vets of course no one but my own vet is going to touch my dog so I didnt use it. There was no follow up on the shelters part so as far as they know I have a unspayed bitch so they dont even pay attention to the vouchers(OR THE DOGS) and there is zero screening of the adopters you just say I want that one and as long as you have the adoption fee its yours also if they base their numbers off how many vouchers are used they must be way off, plus they make you pay for the voucher as part of your adoption fee anyway
Good post BL , i got my dog from a rescue shelter he was 8 weeks un spayed , i got no voucher to spay him , no home check , either he reamined entire till he passed to the bridge aged 8/12, and they still have never done a follow up on him , in my opion once most of them get there adoption fee , they dont care a hoot for the animal xxdk
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01-11-2007, 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by zoeybeau1 View Post

ISSUES REGARDING CASTRATION IN DOGS
Politically correct conventional wisdom is not necessarily biologically correct. Also, old wives tales regarding testicles and behavioral matters are often just that.
The only true justifications for castrating dogs are 1) aggressive behavior toward other dogs in the same household, and 2) perianal adenoma in old dogs.
Aggression to other dogs in situations outside the house is pretty normal dog behavior. Appropriate behavior. Since your dog will be on lead or inside a secure fence at all times, there should be no problem with dogs outside your household. However, if male house mates fight, and both need to stay with you, castration of one or both may solve the aggression problems. If you fault your dog for being aggressive to acquaintances while being walked on lead, you should not. He is guarding you. That simple. Honorable behavior. If you fault your dog for aggression in a 'dog park' where he is running free, or on the beach, or in the woods, well shame on you; you're the one at fault for risking his life in such an uncontrolled situation. Dogs that can manage such encounters without aggression are fine, but you cannot automatically expect a dog to have friendly relations with animals from outside his own 'pack'. It goes against his whole evolution.
Perianal adenomas, benign but messy tumors in old dogs may be treated by castration.
In terms of your dog's health, two overriding concerns are present. Castration at an early age will cause the dog to become overly tall, as the growth plates in the long bones will not close at the appropriate time; additionally, the dog will lack breadth of chest. The combination of these two factors sets the stage for your dog to have painful orthopedic problems. The OFA has published articles on this subject. An early age means below 1 year in small and medium sized dogs, and below 2 to 2.5 years in large and giant breeds.
The statement that your dog will not automatically gain weight is rubbish. Removing sexual hormones will change his metabolism and make your dog more sluggish, resulting almost inevitably in weight gain. Also, muscle tone will decline after castration, and the classic result of this is a fat dog in poor muscle tone that ends up having a cruciate ligament rupture in the knee. Can you avoid the consequences to weight and condition? Sure in the ideal world it's possible, but in the real world, the overwhelming proportion of owners do not succeed in this endeavor.
The second concern regarding your dog's health is highly malignant prostate cancer. Virtually all malignant prostatic tumors in dogs occur in castrated dogs. Castrating your dog puts him at risk for one of the worst cancers he can get. While you remove the very slight risk of testicular cancer in castrated dogs, that's a small matter; the incidence of testicular cancer is so minimal. Also, almost all testicular cancers in dogs are benign. If we find a testicular tumor, we normally remove the testicle with the mass and leave the remaining one intact. The relative incidence and severity of the tumors of the prostate relative to tumors of the testicle makes the decision to keep your dog intact a virtual no-brainer. The information on the incidence prostatic malignancies was obtained through a very large study of the records at veterinary colleges. These findings have been published for several years.*
Infection or inflammation of the prostate may occur in intact male dogs that are chronically exposed to bitches in heat. These are often worrisome to owners who seem to confuse prostatitis with the more serious prostate cancer. Prostatic infections are easily treated, and not, per se, a reason for castration.
So, the bottom line is:
1. Never castrate your dog because it is Politically Correct
2. Only castrate your dog if his home life is at risk due to dog-to-dog
aggression, or if, at the age of 11 years or so, he develops a perianal adenoma.

i googled early castration and this was what i found,im sorry but id rather he has all his bits xxzbxx
Im with you on this one ZB , great post , very informative xxdk
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01-11-2007, 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Patch View Post
And you know how much I like collecting the raspberries, I work hard for them after all :smt023
I went to bed before you for a change

You do work hard for them Patch, I should have given you more for your collection :smt019 :smt016 :smt019 :smt016 :smt019

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01-11-2007, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Malady View Post
I went to bed before you for a change

You do work hard for them Patch, I should have given you more for your collection :smt019 :smt016 :smt019 :smt016 :smt019

:smt042
Im so jealous as i never get rasps from any one xxxdk
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01-11-2007, 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by dollyknockers View Post
Im so jealous as i never get rasps from any one xxxdk
Oh I'm so sorry, I rarely give them to anyone actually, not many deserve them, in fact I think it's only Patch or Shona :smt042 ...... Here you go ......

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01-11-2007, 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by Malady View Post
I went to bed before you for a change

You do work hard for them Patch, I should have given you more for your collection :smt019 :smt016 :smt019 :smt016 :smt019

:smt042

Yaaay, I get a bonus, fank yew

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01-11-2007, 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by lisa@mayhew View Post
"This early age neutering sparked a storm of controversy, because in veterinary medicine the mantra is “We fear change.” Because of this controversy, many studies were undertaken to more fully evaluate the effects of early age sterilization in dogs and cats.

In the last 10-15 years, the following findings have emerged concerning prepubertal neutering.

1 Animals neutered prior to a full maturity live longer on the average- dogs live 1-3 years longer and cats live 3-5 years longer
2 There is a sharp decrease in certain cancers, particularly mammary cancer.
3 Prostatitis, perianal tumors, testicular cancer, perianal bernias, ovarian cyst, ovarian and uterine tumors and pyometras are examples of common medical problems impacted by neutering,
4 There are anesthetic agents and anesthetic protocols that are well documented for animals as young as 6-8 weeks.
5 Young animals recover much faster from surgery due to higher metabolic rates, less bleeding during surgery, and shorter overall surgical time.
6 There is even growing evidence that early age neutering has positive effects on socialization and behavior in many animals. 7 One clear physiological fact that has emerged is these animals tend to have slightly increased skeletal bone growth (taller) and stay leaner longer that their adult counterparts neutered at an older age."
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Thanks again,very interesting...but still no eveidence about socialisation, just a sweeping statement...not trying to be akward but my concern about early neutering is largely to do with socialisation...
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01-11-2007, 09:31 PM
How did the topic of early stage neutering get intertwined with the topic of rescue practice?
I worked in rescue for 10 years, and i never heard of this practised in that field anymore than anywhere else.
However, i have heard this practice is heavily accepted and practised by American vets, and so taken up by American rescues.
Whilst there may be one or two examples of practice amongst vets and rescues in the UK, I dont think there is any particular noteable association with the wider body of both in the UK.
However, when checking out the American system, i found myself thinking it a good idea, particularly for rescue centres. When i suggested it to my managers and colleagues at my former rescue, they were appalled at the thought of the idea just like most people on this thread.
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01-11-2007, 10:04 PM
The Dogs Trust neuter their pups from 16 weeks, although it's been a while since I spoke to them about neutering so they may do it younger now.
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01-11-2007, 10:15 PM
Yes but 16 weeks is 4 months, not 9-12 weeks !! BIG difference in a puppy.
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