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Baileys Blind
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23-05-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm not prejudiced against breed but I am about owner !!

If I see any dog with a hoody type youth I avoid them!!
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HiHoSilver
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23-05-2011, 05:53 PM
My prejudicial avoidance is not of any particular breed,I've encountered nice and nasty in almost all forms.

I avoid situations (wherever possible) that I think could be trouble when I'm out with a dog or dogs.

That includes young people with dogs,of any breed, as I don't think they have the judgement to control an animal properly.

Likewise the old and frail,not because of their foolhardiness (although there's many an empty head under grey hair) but because of the lack of physical strength/agility.

ALL loose dogs when mine are leashed.mutter mutter ruddy nuisance..

Women with small children and dogs.They have enough on their hands already without having to deal with a meet and greet that goes sour!

Pretty much any strange dogs that I don't know or owners that I don't have faith in.

Breeds no.I am more cautious around big dogs - including labradors - as the bigger the dog the more trouble in the event of hostilities breaking out.

Pit types ARE legal here although they must be muzzled in public. Therefore there are a number that are owned by the right sort of people (you can tell because they are law abiding and muzzle them!) and are perfectly normal friendly dogs.
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23-05-2011, 06:01 PM
Sorry to hear of your unfortunate incident. Hope Axel is ok

I have to say i cross the road mainly because i have 2 dogs. Its easier all round.
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23-05-2011, 06:13 PM
I frequently cross to avoid dogs. It isn`t a breed thing - it`s that with 2 big dogs I take up a lot of the pavement and prefer to avoid confrontation. It just makes life easier.
The other day a lady with an SBT approached and she pulled her dog into a side alley to let me pass. As I did I could see her dog eyeballing Daisy and moving forward so Daisy fluffed up and gave a warning bark. So the woman turned round and told her child `Be careful that dog`s vicious`.
What I`m trying to say is that discretion is definitely the best policy. Obviously both dogs were very uncomfortable at being so close and both reacted. So I should certainly have crossed over rather than assuming the distance was OK.
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23-05-2011, 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by HiHoSilver View Post
Pit types ARE legal here although they must be muzzled in public. Therefore there are a number that are owned by the right sort of people (you can tell because they are law abiding and muzzle them!) and are perfectly normal friendly dogs.

I know several breeds are supposed to be muzzled in Eire including GSD but according to my friends most are not, do you find this to be the case?
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23-05-2011, 06:39 PM
I'm breed prejudice, i'll hold my hands up to that.

Firstly I look at the dog, then I look at the owner and if neither look kosher i'll avoid them.
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23-05-2011, 06:41 PM
That did make me larf........................
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23-05-2011, 06:52 PM
after today i think i am too...if i see a chi(or group dogwalker) again im flippin running away!!!

(long story,but im sure it was common assault)
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23-05-2011, 06:56 PM
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after today i think i am too...if i see a chi(or group dogwalker) again im flippin running away!!!

(long story,but im sure it was common assault)
Oh dear-hope you are ok?
Cherry had a bunch of 6 Chis all round her yapping on the park and one of them bit her on the leg! The owner (who also had a Rotty) was completely oblivious. I would have just let it go as Cherry (ever stoic) didn't even notice it had bitten her but Jamie went and had a few words with the owner.
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23-05-2011, 06:57 PM
How frightening for you both, I hope you are both getting over it a bit now.

As for legal Pitbulls, including pure bred dogs, not just those "of the type", everything from drugs to people, and animals, including dogs, are smuggled into this country.

Even prior to the pet passport scheme dogs would be smuggled in, either sedated in cars, or via small boats arriving at unguarded sections of the coast, or up sea fronting rivers, like other contraband, including humans. Not only would this get around the time factor of the 6 month separation quarantine requirements, it would also appeal to some as being much cheaper.


Dogs brought in through questionable means now can be illegal breeds, or legal breeds who haven't properly fulfilled the pet passport requirements.

Illegal breeds such as pure bred Pitbulls will also be brought in with 'correct/legal' pet passports claiming they are cross breeds or other similar but legal breeds (a common defence used in the court cases relating to DDA Section 1 cases).

Not only are not all vets who do the passports breed identification experts by any means, but a young puppy can be near impossible even for an expert to identify as a specific breed when very young. Additionally some vets do not want the aggro of arguing with the owner's say-so of the dog's breed.

Anyone travelling around e.g. Europe, or Southern Ireland, both areas with no shortage of pure bred Pitbulls, even just on a car ferry, will see how easy it would be to smuggle in a dog, unless you were unlucky enough to have a spot check, and an unsuspecting vet could be asked for a "sedative for a long car journey."

Hence there can be, and are, illegal pure-bred Pitbulls in England, many coming from Europe and these will/are also then being illegally bred in this country.

Illegal Pitbulls can be made legal if ordered by the court to be put on the Index of Exempt Dogs (IED). This can either be following their having been found to be Section 1 Pitbull types (including pure bred Pitbulls) and then being granted a contingency destruction order and exemption under Section 4a, if their temperament is deemed appropriate, and assuming all the IED requirements are met.

Alternatively an owner can themselves apply to the court, under Section 4b of the DDA, to have their Pitbull put on the IED, when all the same conditions apply, including temperament assessment, being insured, neutered, microchipped and tattooed, muzzled and held on a lead by a responsible adult when out in public places.

So yes, the DDA was intended to eradicate Pitbull types pure bred and otherwise, and no there are no Pitbulls, or pitbull types being legally walked without a muzzle and leashed. However similarly lawmakers would like drug laws would to eradicate drugs.

However there are illegal pure-bred Pitbulls, smuggled, bred, imported using false breed identification on pet passports etc and these same dogs, if caught or volunteered, may be made legal under the 1996 DDA amendment.

Of course the other loophole can be if a Pitbull owner finds a sympathetic and convincing "expert witness" to declare the dog is not a Pitbull, wins in court, and so has a legal and unrestricted dog, found by the court, possibly erroneously, not to be a Pitbull.
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