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26-10-2008, 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn 
Im a bit different. I like to have a dog and get cracking! You cant do that with a baby pup. I bought Breeze, vaccinated, house and lead trained, it was GREAT!! Didnt pay more for her though. I love pups, but personally I like them about 10mths for the "trainability"
I do love the tiny puppy stage too though, so would probably lean more to buying a pup than an older dog.I do wonder if in today's modern society, when people are so busy, and there are so many more pressures put on a dog to behave in relatively alien situations, that it might benefit many dog-human relations for dogs to come already socialised with all sorts of situations, house trained, and with some basic obedience. Just thinking out loud really.
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26-10-2008, 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
if you havent trained the owner how to continue/maintain the training, then the 'already trained dog' is a waste of time, as the dog will lose its training.
good dog trainers teach owners how to train dogs.
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26-10-2008, 10:59 AM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd
This happens quite a lot in the working Gundog world. Breeders regularly keep more than one from the litter and sell surplus at a later date as part trained for a lot of cash!
Weirdly though, if you bought a show bred pup that had been run on I'm pretty sure you'd only pay the same price as you would if it was still a pup?
Strange world!
I don't have a problem with a gundog training selling part trained dogs for a larger amount than for an 8 week old pup. I think if that trainer has put in the time and effort to train the pups, then he deserves to be recompensed. There is obviously the demand for the supply - so why not?
I don't think it is weird that you could buy a show bred pup that had been run on for the price of a small pup though, as that pup won't have had the training that the gundog pup has had.
It is very similar in sheepdog circles. Pups are relatively cheap compared to adolescents and adults that have been run on and trained. A trained sheepdog can be sold for £1000s. I would imagine it is the same in gundogs.
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26-10-2008, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by catrinsparkles
No definately not. I am passionate about training and thorough socialization and (unless i rescue an adult dog) i want to know what the pup has experienced and how they have learnt things, and the only sure way of doing that is to do it yourself.
Think it was Borderdawn who said she liked to get cracking with dogs straight away and so likes them from ten months old, i also like to start straight away - Tonks was my first pup and training started the day after i got her. Apart from toilet training, in the first week with me she learnt to sit, lie down, lie flat, touch her nose to my hand and come when called. Training has never really stopped since.
They are so maluable when they are tiny and, especially with clicker training, it is amazing what you can teach a tiny pup. Looking back we did more in the first few weeks than since really, what with the training and visiting different places and people everyday.
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26-10-2008, 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Shona
prob because there is no real training involved... when I say no real training... I mean not much that would be of any use to anyone in the real world... they would be socialised though...if it were a good show home.. but I have seen just as many narky dogs come from show homes.
compared to other things...showings a doddle...runs
I have to agree.
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26-10-2008, 11:18 AM
Originally Posted by Ramble
Totally agreed.
I have to say, I think it is sheer laziness not being prepared to train a dog up yourself and in the working world I think it shows poor planning...even many pet owners will get a new pup when their current dog is 5/6 if they always want to have 2 dogs, a steady one and a young nutty one.
In terms of the ready trained protection dogs, I think it is an appalling idea, truly appalling. I saw one such dog on the one episode I have ever seen of that awful Kerry Katona programme. It was dreadful. Man turns up, shows them the dog, shows tghem how it 'works' man goes....
There are enough dogs out there being used as weopons without people encouraging it. I cannot see how it is a good idea in any way, shape or form.
Who knows what situation someone might be in. In fact, blind people get guide dogs trained for them. Is that okay, or should they be expected to train their own guide dog? 
Assistance dogs are trained for their disabled owners, there are more cases of police dog instructors training dogs and then training the handler to handle the dog. Is that laziness? It takes a lot of time, skill and expertise to train a dog to do specific jobs. Not everyone who needs a dog for work will have the time, skill or expertise to train the dog. I think to call that laziness is rather narrow minded tbh.
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26-10-2008, 11:45 AM
that said a well trained pup from me wouldnt be just a show trained pup... it would go with the whole package that my lot have... good with live stock.. all the obed.. clicker training.. yada yada
the only problem is..... I ran two from the last litter..... I still have two from the last litter.... the big quesiton is... can I hand said pup over this time if I do it...... past experiance says NO...
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26-10-2008, 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by Moobli
I think calling it "sheer laziness" is actually very judgmental
Who knows what situation someone might be in. In fact, blind people get guide dogs trained for them. Is that okay, or should they be expected to train their own guide dog? Assistance dogs are trained for their disabled owners, there are more cases of police dog instructors training dogs and then training the handler to handle the dog. Is that laziness? It takes a lot of time, skill and expertise to train a dog to do specific jobs. Not everyone who needs a dog for work will have the time, skill or expertise to train the dog. I think to call that laziness is rather narrow minded tbh.
ETA:./..forgot to add sports/obed type dogs...
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26-10-2008, 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by Shona
One of the managers at dougies work would love a pup from my next litter... his main concern was.. his working hours.. He could take a young pup into work but its not ideal.... SO.. if I wanted to run two pups on...he sees it as a win win sinario.. he gets an older well socialised, well trained pup.. thats old enough to go to work with him.. or be left for a few hours if need be..
that said a well trained pup from me wouldnt be just a show trained pup... it would go with the whole package that my lot have... good with live stock.. all the obed.. clicker training.. yada yada
the only problem is..... I ran two from the last litter..... I still have two from the last litter.... the big quesiton is... can I hand said pup over this time if I do it...... past experiance says NO...
If I wanted a Rottie pup (or older dog!) I would definitely come to you Shona 
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26-10-2008, 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by Shona
I think this is where the divide of pet/working/show/assistance dogs would have a huge impact on this conversation....
I love hearing everyone's different views though - we all live such different lives and that certainly seems to have a bearing on different perspectives.
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