That must have been a very badly fitted prong, I have never seen a dog like that with a prong on, and unfortunately I see it every other day as the training class I attend use them. :/ I dont use them personally and try to show positive reinforcement throughout the class with my dogs.

Yes I've seen those too, makes you wonder why advocates of prong collars want to hide them if they are so wonderful and kind.

Are you calling me a liar, love? Were you there?
I know what I saw and I described it accurately. The dog was previously walked by children, poor soul. God knows what pain she went through. For months afterwards, when it was walkies time she`d cry and leap backwards and forwards near the door, terrified in case that dreadful thing was put on her again.

I've seen it and actually managed to get the owner to bin it once she saw how much better her dog behaved without it.

I think it also helped when she put it on her arm and went for a walk with me around her garden

Calm yourself down, I never said that, or insinuated that. I genuinely meant and said it must have been badly fitted or something to that affect it seems a very extreme response. That doesnt mean it never happened

I'm so disappointed every time I see someone buy into the idea of them at the club when they're is more training that could be done They are used as a last resort by the trainer but some who attend advocate the use of them and anyone who shows the slightest but of interest can almost be pounced on in my opinion. but there are many there who do not use them, I get a thrill about people asking how I train my dog or hearing the trainer explaining to newbies the methods I'm using.

think you took it to much too heart.

how often have we made the same "maybe it wasnt fitted proprely" comment when someone tells us how a head collar or harness hurt a dog?

Another possibility is it is a "worse" type of prong than the ones they use at the club I attend tbf. The club done a lot of research into the type of prong they use so it has a particular end and if anyone is interested they tell them not to order from webs etc. as it could be a different type which has a different end at the prong or something like that. So that might have been a really nasty one

There are nice, well fitting prong collars with spikes that stick into a dog`s throat are there? Well well.... that`s good to know.

Gotta admit, I was thinking this. Prong collars are wrong, plain and simple. There aren't nice ones, they are designed to cause pain.

It's like saying there are 'nice' guns.