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11-10-2006, 07:21 AM
Originally Posted by beckyc View Post
No, not really. The nearest she would've seen to this puppy is our Tonto (JRT) who is the same size, and colouring as this Dalmation.

The only problem we've ever with her and other dogs is that she gets so excited and wants to play, but being big can be rough, so she's always on her lead if in doubt when other dogs around.
Do you feel she was well socialised with other dogs?
My view is that it may be worth working on her bite inhibition so that, if something similar happens again, the bite won't be too hard
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11-10-2006, 08:21 AM
I would take her to a training class with lots of dogs, and put her in the situation with younger dogs (but not too young!) and watch her like a hawk. Any attempt at a bite should be severely told off. I was fostering a jack russell recently, who came to me with aggression problems. He had never been allowed to see other dogs, which was the problem. Akela is non-aggressive and told him off, but over the couple of weeks that i have him, she seemed to get carried away with the power she had over him, and it turned into bullying. They enjoy being a boss dog, over others, and although it is acceptable for her to tell him off, it is not for her to pin him down excessively! Not saying yours is enjoying it, but if she gets away with it once she may think she can do it again and be the neighbourhood bully.
Again, I would take her to classes and watch for any bullying behaviour starting, it's alot easier to fix when they are younger!

Also wanted to mention, if she has a thing for Dalmatians that is all the more reason to find some and make her play with them happily. Avoidance is not a good idea, as sooner or later you will come upon one, you will be worried what she will do and she will read this as a her having to defend you. Best she is good with every breed!
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11-10-2006, 08:46 AM
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Lorna accepts responsibility for her pup being out but her pup wasn't winding the dog up as I have met her and she is the most submissive little thing ever.
Apparently, she tried to be polite and only told Becky about the attack because Inca had attacked Lorna's other dalmatian (elderly and not bouncy) before, that time through no fault of Lorna's.

Blue has some serious bite marks apparently and Lorna didn't want to go to the police about ordering Inca to be restricted without first warning the owners of the attacks so they could choose to take these steps without police interference.
I think it is always best to get both sides of the story so I hope Lorna feels able to join the thread.

I do still feel though that if the pup was off lead and ran up to Inca, then it is the pup's owner at fault ... whether the pup is submissive or not.

I do hope the police don't have to become involved though, and that this incident doesn't get blown out of proportion.
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11-10-2006, 08:54 AM
I wouldnt worry about it, some years back(about 4) my dogs were attacked by two staffies, my dogs were on lead, I had a massive argument with the owner, (Iwould have let it go if he apologised) but I continued walking and saw a police van and told them what heppened, all they did was tell him to keep them on a lead when outside, think the authorties treat it as dog on dog and not a big issue.

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11-10-2006, 09:00 AM
Lorna does realise that she was at fault because Blue got out. Unfortunately, their house is open plan so nowhere to shut her in while they open the door and I have been there, the pup is so quick - she can easily get out, Takara's even done it!

I think what upset Lorna more is partly that Blue has got serious bite marks, but also because Inca has attacked her other dalmatian who is not bouncy while both dogs were offlead and Tara (the other dalmatian) didn't go up to Inca that time.

Anyway - I agree it's best to get two sides of the story and while I can't dispute the fact that Blue shouldn't have been there - it was a genuine mistake on Lorna's part and she feels that the boy walking Inca wasn't in full control, especially to say this has happened before.

Anyway - I'm not taking sides because I understand Blue shouldn't have been there but I also agree with certain things Lorna's told me.

I just hope this can all be resolved without too much difficulty.
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11-10-2006, 09:06 AM
i think you shoudl get your 4 dals together and the inuit and have a romp and a play somewhere neutral. They will probably all get on off lead, but just makes sure the inuit is 100% happy before obviously, it will put everyones mind at rest, knowing the dogs get one. If not they will be avoiding each other forever, and the dogs will sense that. Sounds as if you are in close proximity, and it's no use to be avoiding each other on what should really be simple to resolve...

(says me who's hundreds of miles away )
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11-10-2006, 09:24 AM
Originally Posted by jess View Post
i think you shoudl get your 4 dals together and the inuit and have a romp and a play somewhere neutral. They will probably all get on off lead, but just makes sure the inuit is 100% happy before obviously, it will put everyones mind at rest, knowing the dogs get one. If not they will be avoiding each other forever, and the dogs will sense that. Sounds as if you are in close proximity, and it's no use to be avoiding each other on what should really be simple to resolve...

(says me who's hundreds of miles away )
Jess I live in Sheffield and they live in Suffolk We were staying there for a week recently!

Unfortunately, Lorna's other dalmatian has already been attacked by Inca when both dogs were offlead so I doubt Lorna will be up for socialisation with her!
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11-10-2006, 09:27 AM
oh sorry, thought you were all together!

I hope then that Inca gets some socialisation before worse things happen... not a nice situation for anyone
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11-10-2006, 09:54 AM
Good morning everyone,

Where do I start?

Ok, my name is Lorna and I own the puppy in question. I went round to Becky's last night because I wanted to politely tell her that her dog had been in an incident with mine, I had no idea that I would become the subject of a thread on dogweb, and even more surprising to me, that I would be portrayed in the way that I have.

My puppy escaped, no doubt about it, she wasn't on a lead, and she went up to Inca. She lay down in front of her, about half a metre away, and it was at that point that Inca lurched towards her, and bit her....no warnings, just the bite. - I have witnesses who will be more than willing to verify my version of events.

I appreciate that you all think that I/my dog was in the wrong, however, I should point out that my elderly dalmatian often comes out onto the green with me, off lead, are you insinuating that any dog off the lead around Inca is liable to bitten - doesn't sound like a basis for a strong argument to me....... (continuation of reply will follow momentarily)
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11-10-2006, 10:10 AM
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My puppy escaped, no doubt about it, she wasn't on a lead, and she went up to Inca. She lay down in front of her, about half a metre away, and it was at that point that Inca lurched towards her, and bit her....no warnings, just the bite. )
Is your pup OK and has he had any vet treatment?

It sounds as if Inca may have been fearful of the pup as the pup, although running up, did offer the correct body language it seems.

Sometimes dogs (as puppies) are told off for puppy biting in the home and don't learn about how hard they can bite and the power of their jaws. This is why these days owners are told to slowly wean their pups from biting, rather than tell them off and try to get them to stop from almost day 1.

I am very sorry for all parties involved and hope the pup is now OK ...
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