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17-01-2010, 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by aerolor 
For Ben McFuzzyluggs
I know what you mean, but many people could not live with a true working collie - I would like to see a happy medium, especially in a domestic situation - otherwise both dog and owner can end up very unhappy if the working element is so strong.
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17-01-2010, 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Moobli
But then this begs the question that if someone in a domestic situation cannot live with a border collie, then they should look at a different breed?
I would agree.
Your Working Collies are Very Nice looking Moobli,Much Nicer than Breed dogs, & Almost as nice as mine!
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17-01-2010, 08:43 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
The problem lies with people altering a dogs appearance to the extreme. The working Cocker is almost unrecognisable in many cases as a Cocker Spaniel at all, and some Springers weigh MORE than Labradors! When we talk about fit for function, you should look at conformation. Take these photos below.
Do you think these exaggerated wide and bowed fronts are normal and/or should be encouraged? these are all working dogs, but if they were Bulldogs you can imagine how people would think how bowed and deformed they were, couldnt you?
From sites:
http://www.mailscotgundogs.co.uk/
http://www.countrywaysgundogs.com/
and I don't like exaggerations, and I don't think that they should be bred into any dog, as thats when problems start to appear.Although OT, I read this on Rhy's page, poor boy.
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17-01-2010, 08:43 PM
If people did not maintain breed standards, breeds would slowly lose their identity. I find it sad that I sometimes cannot even recognize puppies of 'my' breed...I saw a woman with a pup when out walking my gang last week and I asked her what he was a cross between. Turned out, according to her, this pup was a purebred Lab. The pup looked more like a Vizsla crossed with Greyhound. Sweet pup, but it didn't look like a Labrador at all. When there is THAT much of a physical difference in breeds you have to start wondering what happened for such a split to occur.
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17-01-2010, 08:46 PM
You can also get very striking, glamourous pure working line collies too
Look up Dryden Joe, Johnny Wilson's Spot, Derek Scrimgeour's Ben etc etc
Although beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but these are the type of border collies that the general public think of as "traditional" (black/white, long coated etc).
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17-01-2010, 08:50 PM
http://www.wylanbriar.co.uk/?p=p_14&sName=home
http://www.poolehalllabradors.co.uk/...20gundogs.html
http://www.carriegame-labradors.co.uk/beckped.html
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17-01-2010, 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
Dual purpose for me. The split in WAY too big in Labs. I very occasionally see some very nice looking working bred Labs, but this rare. The best looking ones I find are moderately bred show breds or dual purpose bred dogs. So many of the working bred Labs to me don't look like Labradors at all. Way too light in bone, too long in the legs, no depth of chest, snipey face, fly away ears...for me there is NO point in owning Lab that doesn't look like a Lab.
If people did not maintain breed standards, breeds would slowly lose their identity. I find it sad that I sometimes cannot even recognize puppies of 'my' breed...I saw a woman with a pup when out walking my gang last week and I asked her what he was a cross between. Turned out, according to her, this pup was a purebred Lab. The pup looked more like a Vizsla crossed with Greyhound. Sweet pup, but it didn't look like a Labrador at all. When there is THAT much of a physical difference in breeds you have to start wondering what happened for such a split to occur.
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17-01-2010, 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
Dual purpose for me. The split in WAY too big in Labs. I very occasionally see some very nice looking working bred Labs, but this rare. The best looking ones I find are moderately bred show breds or dual purpose bred dogs. So many of the working bred Labs to me don't look like Labradors at all. Way too light in bone, too long in the legs, no depth of chest, snipey face, fly away ears...for me there is NO point in owning Lab that doesn't look like a Lab.
If people did not maintain breed standards, breeds would slowly lose their identity. I find it sad that I sometimes cannot even recognize puppies of 'my' breed...I saw a woman with a pup when out walking my gang last week and I asked her what he was a cross between. Turned out, according to her, this pup was a purebred Lab. The pup looked more like a Vizsla crossed with Greyhound. Sweet pup, but it didn't look like a Labrador at all. When there is THAT much of a physical difference in breeds you have to start wondering what happened for such a split to occur.
http://www.pbase.com/woodmist/image/105006766
A collection of show Labs doing working tests.
http://www.pbase.com/woodmist/sgwc_10_01_09
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17-01-2010, 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Moobli
Your dogs are lovely Mish
You can also get very striking, glamourous pure working line collies too
Look up Dryden Joe, Johnny Wilson's Spot, Derek Scrimgeour's Ben etc etc
Although beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but these are the type of border collies that the general public think of as "traditional" (black/white, long coated etc).
Derek Scrimgeour's Ben & daziels Wisp!!!!! Im Going to Find a Link To Ben Cos hes lush!
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