Assume is the operative word in your post here - you know absolutely nothing about this dog other than what you've been fed by a media article. As usual you fill in the blanks to fit what you want to believe, pot and kettle springs to mind.

I don't personally agree with the way the dog is kept, but it's highly likely to be a very similar life to a lot of byb, fashion bought pet dogs. I'm well aware two wrongs don't make a right, but I think it's important to remember that this sort of think isn't exclusive to the show world, as much as you would wish it to be the case.

The are less than perfect show breeders out there, but equally there will be crap pet and working breeders, what is important to remember is that the vast majority care for and love their dogs a great deal.

Oh and the second most important thing is not to believe everything the media feeds you, no matter how desperately you want it to be true.

Since that last remark comes from someone who assured us the vets used at Crufts were equine and feline specialists I think it can be taken with a pinch of salt!

I'd rather believe the Mail than some off the scewed comments and proven lies of some show people.

rune

I fully agree with you.

Less than ideal conditions are less than ideal whether the dog is show, sport, work or pet.

When it becomes even more cruel in my opinion is when those less than ideal conditions are deliberately inflicted because of human vanity whether that be to win shows or any other kind of competition.

Yes I am well aware not to believe all the media says, I have no problem with people saying it might not be true
But there are people defending it saying even if it is true then they dont have a problem with it

I am well aware it isnt exclusive to the show world, but, if this is true,, she is a very high profile pet owner, she is very much in the public eye and she has just been given the highest profile prize for the condition of her dog

this would make some people think that this is a good way to keep a dog - heck the 'top' doggy person for this year does it so it must be right

Puppy farmers hide what they are doing because they know it is wrong - if this is true she sees nothing wrong with because she brags about it to the press

I appreciate you saying you dont agree this is the best way to keep dogs, but saying others do it dosent make it right

The difference, I believe, is that if this report had been about a byb's dog, a fashion bought pet dog etc, I doubt there would have been a single post that wouldn't have decried it as being out and out cruel. Of course, there would have been those, me included, that ensured that the wording of their post made it clear that it was only IF the quotes within the article were authentic, but nevertheless, I doubt there would have been a single voice that would have been less than outraged.

Exactly. I can only imagine the response if this dog wasn't a champion lhasa apso but a lhasadoodle...if they exist

I absolutely hate this mentality, that because other people do something, then it is ok... Yes, some 'pet' people do not walk their dogs, but that does not make it ok for someone to not walk their dog, and to crate the dog when they aren't around the dog... especially when said person has 20 dogs, so it will probably work out at a lot of time in a crate.

I don't think that is a way for any dog to live, whether it be a pet, show dog, working dog, BYB etc... just coz some of a group do it, does not mean that it should be excused.

I also don't think it should be excused because the dog could going through worse.

As already stated, if what the media have said is true then this is completely wrong imho. Every show dog my family have ever had (not many overall) have been allowed to be dogs. They've been allowed out on walks, running abotu in the park and jumping into puddles, swamps, lakes, bogs, cow pats and anything else disgusting that they find.

No dog is at a show every day. There i sno reason why this dog, or any other for that matter, could not have a nice time playing, walking, training etc as any "normal" pet owner allows their dog to do.

A dog can always be groomed, washed, brushed, cleaned, tidied up again before each show. NO reason at all as far as I can see not to allow a dog to be a dog. Just plain vanity n the part of the owner.

I am sure many show dogs live perfectly happy and active lives. Sadly, as the article states, there are others whose whole lives are geared toward winning the next rosette and are denied the simple pleasures in life that dogs should be entitled to.

Of course, there are also dogs in working, sport and pet homes that are also denied basic rights - and that is equally wrong.

It just seems the show folk close ranks whenever one of "their own" is held up as an example of all that is wrong in showing. I don't understand that.

Mmmmmmm, who`s defending who to the death Not me as I said earlier , its nothing to do with it being a show dog, my point is the dog is cared for, fed and well looked after, it may not be how you / I like to keep our dogs, but it certainly is not the terrible cruelty case some here are assuming it to be

I dont like the way many people keep their dogs, I dont like dogs being made to stand on their back legs and perform to silly music , I dont like working sheep dogs being kept in outside wet drafty pens , I dont like to see obese dogs that can hardly walk down the road, there are many things I dont like or would not do, but none of the above do I presume to call cruel, just a different way than I would do it.

I think some need to jump down of that high horse they set themselves up on, dogs mean many things to many people, just because they don't do it as you do, does not mean its cruel...

Elizabeth........ does she look unhappy, mistreated, starved or neglected... give ayes to any of those , and you may have a case to argue!