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10-06-2009, 09:22 AM
Becky
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10-06-2009, 11:18 AM
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=107899
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Location: East Midlands, UK
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10-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Vicki 
Good grief! Honestly, CM has an awful lot to answer for.
Poor puppy......
I think I would be having a word with the owner...
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If any dog trainer had done this to my dog, I would have pinned him or her down and sat on his or her head ... alll 11 and a half stone of me ... and for longer than 15 minutes !!
And what was the stupid owner doing allowing such treatment of his dog?
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10-06-2009, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Heldengebroed
In 30 years training dogs that are considered dangerous (bite training) i have never used an alpha roll. So there is no reason do do that with a puppy
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10-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
Vicky : if people choose to misinterpret Cesar's methods, then I don't think he can be blamed.
If any dog trainer had done this to my dog, I would have pinned him or her down and sat on his or her head ... alll 11 and a half stone of me ... and for longer than 15 minutes !!
And what was the stupid owner doing allowing such treatment of his dog?
1. He's on tv so of course people will copy him when it appears he gets results.
2. His alpha roll is based on a nonsense theory so has no place on tv in the first place.
3. As has been highlighted by others, the owner may well have not known any better and felt unsure about querying what the trainer was doing.
The bit I highlighted.....would this go for CM as well?
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Location: Wiltshire, UK
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10-06-2009, 02:41 PM
It's a horrible feeling but I would hope the owner was more shocked than able to believe this was the right thing. New and first time owners can be very vulnerable with training, I know we were but I knew this was wrong the minute I saw it being done.
I think you should do what Mini has suggested, if you want to take it further of course. It would make me feel better knowing I had gotten involved and been able to do something about it. I mean the fact that you were so worried you did everything to avoid the class speaks volumes in my mind.
And, no matter whether they are doing it right or wrong CM does have alot to answer for, as Vicky says!
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10-06-2009, 02:44 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
Vicky : if people choose to misinterpret Cesar's methods, then I don't think he can be blamed.
If any dog trainer had done this to my dog, I would have pinned him or her down and sat on his or her head ... alll 11 and a half stone of me ... and for longer than 15 minutes !!
And what was the stupid owner doing allowing such treatment of his dog?
As said before, some misguided people will believe the trainer KNOWS what they are doing..
Just like those who go to CM , as we see on a daily basis on his TV shows...
Those owners allow him to do the alpha role, pinning/stringing of there dogs...
Why are they different to this misguided owner.
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