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12-05-2010, 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by cassassin View Post
This, this, A MILLION TIMES this. I would NEVER home an adult male dobermann that did not have a proven track record with children to a home that had kids. This was VERY irresponsible on both the original family (who allowed this dog with an unknown history into the new family's home) as well as the new family for not doing enough research on the breed.



Hello, DD, darling! (Casandra) Lovely posts in this thread <3

This dog should have never been allowed to be given to a family with such little experience in the breed, let alone with small children. All it takes is ONE incident in a Dobermann's past (such as another dog attacking him/her at a dog park) or any other breed for that matter, to scar them for life.

Putting this dog to sleep just because of HUMAN negligence would be wrong imho. This is likely NOT the dog's fault at all. There was an adult in the room, and she let her eyes wander, that is not supervising. For all we know, the dog could be head/neck shy due to some trauma sustained in his past and the child went to grab on his ears/head.

If I had this dog, I would be straight to the vets for an extensive round of testing (thyroid, liver & blood panels) in order to rule out any pre-existing condition which may have led to the incident. Dobermanns are prone to Thyroid problems, and often this is an invisible culprit.

If medically clear, I would hire a professional behaviourist and only when the issues are properly diagnosed and treated, would I try to privately rehome this dog. Private rehoming is a dangerous thing, as we've discovered already in this thread. You need to be extra careful about whose hands this dog ends up in. A breed rescue is probably the best option for him right now.

I can't really comment much more, as I have no idea how this dog is treated on a day to day basis. What his diet consists of, what training, exercise and mental stimulation he gets every day etc..

Please don't give up on him, this was very likely not his fault at all. He did not ask to be poorly treated in his past, he didn't ask to be rehomed 3+ times in a year...

It was just poor judgement on the parts of his past two homes, which he should not have to pay the ultimate price for.
OMG hello you, long time no speak!
I didnt know you was on this forum LOL Good to see you here anyways! ohh and good post like they always were
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12-05-2010, 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Bilclarie
Hello everyone long time no post

Well I have read through this post and here's what I think taking in to account I have only ever owned Dobermanns and have done for 27yrs now, I have 6 at the moment 2 of which are intact males.

You have taken on a dog regardless of it's sex that sound to me like he's been pushed from pillar to post for most of his life, and has been abused, he obviously hasn't been socialised properly with children he may never of had any contact at all with children yet he has been brought into a house with a very small child and is expected to cope with one!!!!!
I would as quite a few posters have said get him to the vet and get him checked out to see if he needs medical treatment it could be something serious like thyroid or cushings if he has hair loss, or something simple like an ear infection that has made him bad tempered, but I think it's simply that he doesn't really like children (I know the feeling) simply because he hasn't had the contact with them whilst growing up, once you have seen the vet you may get a better Idea of why he is acting the way he is, if you get the all clear health wise for him then you have to look at what is best for you your son and the dog, maybe in the right hands he can be a family pet without the stress of having young children around him, not all dogs cope with children even if they have there own they can find other children hard work just like we can, maybe he's to damaged to rehome some dog's are, then the only thing you can do is have him PTS, but please before making that decision try all avenues to give him a chance of a long happy life even if it is with someone else, I'm in no position to physically help you as I don't live in the UK anymore.


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Great post.
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12-05-2010, 09:19 PM
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If it was one of your CC `s I woudl say the same, if the dog had to be pulled off a 3 yr old, then it would be PTS..

The fact the dog in question is Dobe, is extremey important, NOT because it's a Dobe, but because of the dogs size , strength, a dog that large can kill a child , your CC`s would probably just maim..but the outcome woudl be the same... the dog would be PTS!!!

And considering the turmoil the poster must be going through telling her all dogs should be given a chance and she is wrong to have it PTS, is not helping...neither is comparing it to a CC that was aggressive to friends when they came to your home.
well its a shame you feel that way, because like i said we worked for 2 years with a girl that was aggressive with people and other dogs mainly through fear and 4 years on damn are we glad we did she is a delight to own, walk and watch play i hate to think in other hands her life would have been ended.

ermm i have not once on this thread said its wrong to have a dog pts in this situation, i said IN MY OPINION it would be a no go just yet......and i didnt compare the dob to a CC (again you put words in my mouth) i explained a experience we had with a dog/human aggressive crestie and you will see in my first post i said i know a cc is nothing like a dob
and she was far far far worse that just being aggressive to people coming into the home.

People posting stating that its irresponsible to rehome a dog that did this is not helping, i offered advice, told my experience of us helping an aggressive dog, and said what my opinons where i have not once in this thread said putting to sleep is wrong nor have i told other members there opinions are wrong...
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12-05-2010, 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by DevilDogz View Post
I dont need to read it again i read it before posting! You didnt answer my question though lol..
and i said struggled to get the dog off which i guess would leave the kid with more injuries...in other words if it was that bad and she struggled so much why did the kid just leave with just a scratch.
What do you want to know? My experience? Owned showed and worked them, first one in 1988, took a guard dog on that was chained for 3yrs, had him a further 8yrs. Did home vetting, collection and other rescue work for many years. Have watched the breeds health status plummet and the temperaments change with the introduction of continental blood, what I would call the "correct" Dobe temperament, but what most owners in the UK fail to deal with, resulting in high rescue numbers. Board loads of them, and still asked to assess them on occasion. Anything else?
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12-05-2010, 09:24 PM
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What do you want to know? My experience? Owned showed and worked them, first one in 1988, took a guard dog on that was chained for 3yrs, had him a further 8yrs. Did home vetting, collection and other rescue work for many years. Have watched the breeds health status plummet and the temperaments change with the introduction of continental blood, what I would call the "correct" Dobe temperament, but what most owners in the UK fail to deal with, resulting in high rescue numbers. Board loads of them, and still asked to assess them on occasion. Anything else?
I never asked anyone of them questions.. I actually asked if you really thought this was a serious attack and that the owner struggled so badly to get the dog off do you think the child would have left with just a scratch..and before you say anything, no i dont think any attack is right...
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12-05-2010, 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by DevilDogz View Post
I never asked anyone of them questions.. I actually asked if you really thought this was a serious attack and that the owner struggled so badly to get the dog off do you think the child would have left with just a scratch..and before you say anything, no i dont think any attack is right...
ANY attack is serious, of course it is!
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12-05-2010, 09:29 PM
pmsl! Ok i should have said 'level of seriousness' !! Jeeez.
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12-05-2010, 09:29 PM
Originally Posted by DevilDogz View Post
I never asked anyone of them questions.. I actually asked if you really thought this was a serious attack and that the owner struggled so badly to get the dog off do you think the child would have left with just a scratch..and before you say anything, no i dont think any attack is right...
I adore my dogs and most others but YES any bite by a dog on a child is serious.

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12-05-2010, 09:33 PM
OK---I reacted to that as well.

Bites escalate.

I have had 3 people aggressive dogs, I still have one. She hadn't bitten for 5/6 years until the other day. She had a pop at someone who was holding her collar. It wasn't 'serious' but it has meant that she won't be put in that situation ever again.

You can think you have 'cured' a dog but in times of stress it may well revert.

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12-05-2010, 09:35 PM
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OK---I reacted to that as well.

Bites escalate.

I have had 3 people aggressive dogs, I still have one. She hadn't bitten for 5/6 years until the other day. She had a pop at someone who was holding her collar. It wasn't 'serious' but it has meant that she won't be put in that situation ever again.

You can think you have 'cured' a dog but in times of stress it may well revert.

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Yes and i agree with that, I said with our dog we 'trust' her but not 100% and she will never ever ever ever be able to be trusted 100% and its nice to know you worked with your dog
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