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JanieM
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01-07-2009, 10:54 AM
Good luck with the family tomorrow, I hope it goes well and he gets the wonderful home he deserves.
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01-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Do you know who bred him? Why don't you contact them and double check? I am sure the owners are lovely people but they wouldn't have been the first to have been far too embarrassed to contact the breeder. Surely a five second call is worth it? And even if the breeder doesn't want him back, surely it's best to let them be aware (on the off chance that they are not) that the dog will therefore be rehomed by yourselves. Just figure a five second call might be worth it.
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01-07-2009, 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by kcjack View Post
No we dont as we deal with the legal owners of the dog of any breed I mean same could be said for staffs, labs, GSDS, and to be fair I dont know any other rescue that does this, there may be some but never heard of any.I would say if the owners trust us to rehome their dog and assess and look after it then thats what we have to do. I mean what if we contacted the breeders and they took dog back didnt spey they would just flog it on again which isnty I presume what the owners would want.
I know of several that do, in fact they work together with other small rescues, with the larger rescues and with the breed rescues....admittedly not all breed rescues and they don't all get on all the time, but they do make the effort for the sake of the dogs.

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Do you know who bred him? Why don't you contact them and double check? I am sure the owners are lovely people but they wouldn't have been the first to have been far too embarrassed to contact the breeder. Surely a five second call is worth it? And even if the breeder doesn't want him back, surely it's best to let them be aware (on the off chance that they are not) that the dog will therefore be rehomed by yourselves. Just figure a five second call might be worth it.
I get the impression (and I could be wrong, but its how her posts come over) that KCJack is so anti-breeders that she doesn't trust any of them and doesn't believe that any have a motive other than money. Don't forget, much of her experience with breeders has been with puppy farms and it would seem that she can't see past that type of breeder.

If so, this is very sad because I think working with some of the breed rescues and decent breeders would be a really positive thing, both for her and the dogs which she wants to help.
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01-07-2009, 11:19 AM
Another thing that concerns me is that how quickly these dogs are being rehomed, it a little worrying especially with rare breeds like the Chesapeake Bay, and others. There is no time to assess these dogs and more importantly see whether they have been given the correct info from their previous owners.

Kcjack, how long do you keep these dogs to assess them before rehoming them?
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01-07-2009, 11:22 AM
It would be nice if rescue could inform breeders, I know if dannys papers had been with him at the time he went {not that he went into rescue, he went to a show home who like myself try to help any rottie in need} but she didnt have his pedigree at the start, it did not come untill after he had been placed, but if it had came at the time she would have contacted not only the breeder, but the owner of the stud dog to find out if we could take him back,

so if the breeder doesnt own the stud dog, it could be worth contacting them as well, I know I will take anything back from not only my bitches but from what my studs sire also,
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01-07-2009, 11:45 AM
Ok now I'll iput my other hat on lol.
The rescue I volunteer for specialise in rehoming working gundogs, they come in for a number of reasons for the gunshy to the ones too old to work etc.
On the rare occasion we get a "show" type we immediatly contact the relevent rescue (the majority at the moment seem to sbe show labs and we have a fab working relationship with Northern Labrador Rescue).
We would never rehome a dog until it has been fully assessed to its needs, Im sorry but an "ACTIVE" home would be not neccesarily at the top of our list, we'd mnake sure it was ok with chilkdren first, that the new owners understood what was needed of them in terms of time etc, we also try to match the dog to the owners,
imho it takes more than a couple of days to asses the needs of the dog especially when the animals been spayed and under a GA, the character may change when
A) the GA wears off
B) the hormone levels start to change,

I'm not sure your doing these dogs any favours to be honest, the last thing they need is to be returned because you havent had the dogs in long enough to assess its temperment and needs.
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01-07-2009, 12:35 PM
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I was speaking as a member of the North of England Welsh Springer commitee not as volunteer for rescue. Sorry should have made it clearer.
If we find out a welshie is in rescue usually welshie rescue either offers to step in offer a foster home or pay kenneling we also have lists of suitable people wanting older welshies.
I often think sometimes breed specific rescues know the needs of the dogs better than general kennels.
Also i was speaking as a breeder, I would like to know if a dog I'd bred was in rescue as I would drive down and pick it up straight away.
With regards the Chesky I was wondering why there rescue wasnt contacted
Im not sure how that differs from most rescues really, its just that they are non specific. They also pay either for kennelling, fostering, vets bills etc.

Does the rescue charge to take the dogs in? It seemed a strange question to ask so I wondered if yours do?

Do you contact the owners of all the dogs that come in to the rescue? Can I ask how many do take the dogs back on average and does the rescue spey/neuter before returning?

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You seem to be missing the point theres more people involved than the owners the breeders have a responsibility of care and shouls be given the opportunity to at least have a say in the rehoming.
Why should they – they obviously didn’t do a very good job in the first place did they? Would a good breeder not be in contact with the owners anyway to make sure things were going well with their dogs?

Perhaps this could now be split into a more general discussion re rescues etc as this thread was basically to introduce and show pictures of specific dogs not a general discussion on how individual rescues are run?
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01-07-2009, 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn View Post
Another thing that concerns me is that how quickly these dogs are being rehomed, it a little worrying especially with rare breeds like the Chesapeake Bay, and others. There is no time to assess these dogs and more importantly see whether they have been given the correct info from their previous owners.

Kcjack, how long do you keep these dogs to assess them before rehoming them?

I don't think Kc actually assesses any of them, in some cases it seems more like she has taken them on in a panik, then if they don't fit with her house hold they are moved on very quickly, I had asked before about assessing but Kc didn't answer ...
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01-07-2009, 01:04 PM
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Why should they – they obviously didn’t do a very good job in the first place did they? Would a good breeder not be in contact with the owners anyway to make sure things were going well with their dogs?
sorry, but communication is a two way thing, i know of many breeders who have tried everything to locate a puppy they've sold where the new owners haven't replied to phone calls, letters, e-mails etc. You can't actually force someone to respond to you. Surely you can't see this as the breeders fault?

I help with breed rescue with both of the breeds i am involved in, like the chessie both the breeds i have are numerically small and even if the dogs are handed in without papers normally we can establish who bred them and ask if they want them back - and 9 times out of 10 the breeders have no idea that the dog has been surrendered and take it back immediately, and yes, that is including when we have been assured that the breeder has been contacted and doesn't want them back.

I personally would be absolutely gutted if say i was searching my own breed on line and found a picture such as on this thread of a dog i bred, where the KC papers were available, and no one had made any attempt to contact me (particularly given that others had recommended that a double check was made).
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