Firstly Becky, I couldn't see the first clip (have lots of trouble with my ISP and I often can't get the clips to work). However, the second one worked fine. All I can say is, if you think the Chi was frigtened, then think again. That Chi (gorgeous though he was and I'd have him in a flash if he was up for grabs ) was way above his station (obviously the owner had let him get to that level, not the dog's fault). The Chi was basically telling CM to back off. CM showed the Chi that he wasn't scared of him. He didn't hurt the Chi. He didn't invade the Chi's space by chasing him or hurting him in any way. The Chi was the aggressor. If he had been afraid, like mine would have been in that situation, he would have backed off, not continually gone back to get to the owner no matter what. Eventually, he gave in and no doubt is still with the owner and having a nice life. Had CM not intervened that dog would no doubt have ended up in Rescue. If you think anything CM did there was "violent" or nasty, then I can see why we disagree on CM so much on Dogsey. I saw a trainer put a little monster in his place and I saw a lovely little dog come out of that. Terrified Chi - not in a million years

Im not sure that I really do, the reason being, Im naturaly calm, I work with horses/cows/bulls/rams/ all sorts every other day, being calm round animals is something I think I was born with,

Its also what makes me good at my job, lets face it I wouldnt be of much use when a battle starts in a nightclub, if I freak out lol

but as said again, the whole calm thing is not CM's nor these training methods have been around far longer than CM has had his tv programe running.

I am stunned you cannot read this dogs body language, ears back, tail under, hunched up is NOT the sign of an 'aggressor'. Again if you think frightened dogs just run away think again, not all of them do.
You claim CM was not invading the dogs personal space, er hello he pinned the dog down how is that not invading an animals personal space.
If you think this dog is a little 'monster' then I pity your lot. You have a very low opinion of dogs in general based on this post.
Oh and he didn't come out a lovely little dog, he just learnt not to show how firghtened he was of fear of the consequences!
Becky

Precisely, that what I was trying to say (maybe I'm not all that clear today, tbh I should be getting on with much needed housework but, as usual Dogsey is keeping me from it - naughty Dogsey )

Maybe it sounded like I was saying the "calm" "positive" "assertive" was what you had taken from CM. No way was I saying that. I was just saying that the stuff CM educates on, many of us do naturally. Some don't though They see their dog doing something disagreeable and they get nervous, start shouting, whatever, but calm assertive is probably the way most people go without thinking, as do you and I

Have to say though, don't think I'd be calm assertive in a nightclub with a lippy drunk. My "calm" only really lasts with kids and animals. Grown-ups should know better, so no calm assertive for them, I'm afraid Would be quite happy to get them in a "stringing up" position - but that's another thread

I couldn't get the NuNu clip to run ! But I remember NuNu so well because 1) he was the most odious little **** at the start, and 2) it was one of the very first CM's I had ever watched.

That dog is a classic example of a dog being "rewarded" by his owner for aggressive and dominant behaviour, a dog who feels he has had to take over because the owner is weak, in his eyes. He ends up a well balanced, happy little soul, still with his confidence intact, his spirit has not been broken, he is still "NuNu - and don't you forget it" type body language !

Because CM's "bite" inflicts no pain or injury whatsoever. Whereas the real bite with teeth from a bitch to her pup very definitely causes pain, although thankfully rarely injury. My GSP was an excellent mother, but a real disciplinarian. She never drew blood, but gosh her puppies would squeak when she nipped an ear !

There was no life or death situation with Daddy, he used him as an example, there was no need at all whatsoever for the dog to be subjected to that collar as he was never going to come in contact witrh Snakes.

Just googled "rattlesnake attacks on dogs in USA" and got this up:

* * * * (name deleted deliberately) has called in Hollywood's DOG WHISPERER to train her pets to avoid rattlesnakes on the family's Malibu, California ranch.
The actress was devastated when her beloved pooch Rocco died after a rattlesnake attack and she now feels compelled to make sure her other dogs stay away from danger.
She says, "I'm willing to do what's necessary to make sure I don't have this same event happen again."
Pinkett Smith called in reality TV star Cesar Millan, who filmed his bid to train the dogs for his Dog Whisperer show.
Millan used real rattlesnakes to teach the dogs to be aware of their sound and danger.
During the shooting of the show, he told Pinkett Smith that more than 150,000 dogs and cats are left dead or seriously injured after venomous snake attacks every year.

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I personally think this is pretty serious, don't you?

My biggest problem with this...If you use (for wahtever reason) you endorse it as a viable method to train a dog.

People need to be made aware of better/safer methods not continue with methods that are harmful.


And here in lies the problem....what he obviously sees as 'acceptable' or 'suitable' methods for those dogs other people see as an excessive use of force and physical domination.

Some people do not have a problem with dogs been treated like that....others do.

It does not matter that he will not use these methods on all the dogs he sees....he uses them on a few...which in many peoples minds is a few to many with the other methods we are aware of in these more enlightened days.

Becasue we are people....and with the best will in the world a dog will not see us as another dog.

Its a great way of making a dog hand shy!