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28-09-2011, 09:16 AM
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28-09-2011, 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by BangKaew 
Basically he is mostly there for aggressive dogs who he puts in to his boot camp which is the dog equivalent of the foreign legion. If you watch how new soldiers are trained it is much the same. I have a Spitz type dog with a curly up tail which I had only seen up and very occasionally down. Cesar says the ideal position is horizontal and I thought that was impossible for a spitz type.. Until I took him to a pack of balanced dogs and lo and behold it looked like someone had taken an iron to it! So his pack really help dogs.
He does not punish though, it is in the moment discipline but that is very much the old fashioned way which ironically seems new to the people on the show!
you have clearly not seen some of the videos which were on the National Geographical site at one time and posted on here but which have now disappeared from the host siteThey did not contain 'aggressive' dogs but dogs with training/fear issues like barking at people passing a window/'stealing' tissues and objects/fear of objects or circumstances ....all situations which can be address with a little understanding of the behaviour and patience.
CM used aggressive manhandling to try to resolve the issues, an ideal way to instil aggression and fear of humans in any dog . You can make dogs obey you by applying force and fear but you are not curing the problem, merely suppressing it and creating other problems.
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28-09-2011, 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by BangKaew
Basically he is mostly there for aggressive dogs who he puts in to his boot camp which is the dog equivalent of the foreign legion. If you watch how new soldiers are trained it is much the same. I have a Spitz type dog with a curly up tail which I had only seen up and very occasionally down. Cesar says the ideal position is horizontal and I thought that was impossible for a spitz type.. Until I took him to a pack of balanced dogs and lo and behold it looked like someone had taken an iron to it! So his pack really help dogs.
He does not punish though, it is in the moment discipline but that is very much the old fashioned way which ironically seems new to the people on the show!
Like the giant breed puppy who wouldnt go up the stairs - so once he realised he wasnt strong enough to drag the puppy up the stairs he then took it for a long jog in the midday sun in the hope it would be ired enough to get dragged upstairs
when in reality he should have told the owners that the pup shouldnt be going up the stairs at his age anyways
Or the dog who was scared of slipping on the wooden floor - so was just force to walk over them - legs slipping in all directions - rather than letting the dog do it at his own pace - or putting rugs down
He has plenty of dogs with just basic training issues
Also his 'pack' is such a cop out for training, it teaches dogs nothing about living with humans - and often the dogs in his 'pack' are not all that well balanced and quite often bully the new dogs until they are scared and shut down
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28-09-2011, 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
Isn`t it time this thread died a death? It simply repeats the same old stuff and lurches back into view on a monthly basis.
blame me! I was responding to a point about dogs understanding words rather than just tone of voice but thought I'd better give my 2p on CM to stay on topic!
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28-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Kevin Colwill
blame me! I was responding to a point about dogs understanding words rather than just tone of voice but thought I'd better give my 2p on CM to stay on topic!
that might be a far more interesting thread than this one - maybe you should start one?
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30-09-2011, 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by JoedeeUK
If he deals with"Aggressive dogs"why did he take a Chinese Crested from a rescue that had problems walking ? the little dog was not aggressive, not a "Red Zone"dog. He did not have the dog health screened before taking the dog & for a month tried to force the dog to walk, including putting it in a large washing up bowl with water in it to try to get the dog to swim. After a month of his"rehabilitation"methods the dog was no better so eventually was taken to a vet, who discovered that the dogs was blind, deaf, in end stage kidney failure & had a neurological disorder that prevented it from being able to walk properly. The dog was returned to the rescue & was PTS.......'nuff said, the man is an uneducated bully who wrongly believes that one method of dog training fits all dogs.
Also on that episode was a dog that was aggressive and Cesar tried to intimidate it - I agree it is wrong folks!
, but that did not work so he used cheese as a distraction and that worked far better and the funny thing was that Cesar was raving about how amazing that was! So you are right, he is uneducated and basically wings it every case! But he does seem to get results. The most amazing thing is how he ever got a tv show!
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30-09-2011, 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
First of all there are HUNDREDS of people all over the world that deal with aggressive dogs even specialise in them and manage to rehabilitate these dogs very successfully without using bullying tactics, but actually earn trust.
Secondly the way soldiers are trained has nothing to do with dog training, if you studied the psychology of teaching people how to kill you would know that.
Spitz type dogs have curled up tails it is in their breed standard, it does not reflect their emotional state.
You can still notice a difference depending on their emotional state
The same was as some other breeds have differing tail sets.
But anyone who is a Cesar acolyte will not hear or see anything else than his blinding tombstones.
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02-08-2014, 02:35 PM
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02-08-2014, 02:41 PM
Control isn't everything. If you have an out of control dog, you need to dig deeper than just regaining control to get rid of the symptoms. That's what Cesar does, he gets rid of the symptoms, and he does that well. But he doesn't actually help the dogs or the owners. He just makes it look good for an hour or a day or so.
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02-08-2014, 05:24 PM
rose xxx
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