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26-01-2013, 08:13 PM

Vaccinations for dogs - what do you think them?

vaccinations

except of the initial immunization of course

well, because that topic got more and more debatable,
if, or if not?
as i got up the question, if a vaccination might be needless and could more harm your dog, than to do it well?

I've my dog now for almost 5 years and went every year to the vet, for vaccination, I've got never any problems by that, or better said with her by that, never could realize any side effects, but now I'm moving and I'll get another vet for her
now I'm really insecure about all of that, as that one might will use any other stuff? but will that be really good for her?

sorry, so difficult to explain, as I'm here just failing of my lack of English, I hope you can understand me nevertheless?

think before, I'll let test the (antibody) titre <-? in her blood before (maybe she still has enough? and a new, even different vaccination could just harm her? maybe even kill her?) and then I'll have a properly talk with that new vet, what's the best to do

what do you think about all of that?
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26-01-2013, 08:34 PM
There are many differing thoughts around this.
I have never questioned vaccinating any of my dogs, like I never questioned vaccinating my children. To me it is very important halting the spread of such dreadful illnesses.
As you say you can request a titre test if you are really worried. I suppose this is the only way to be sure.
Discuss all the pros and cons with your vet to help you make up your mind.
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26-01-2013, 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Malpeki View Post
vaccinations

except of the initial immunization of course

well, because that topic got more and more debatable,
if, or if not?
as i got up the question, if a vaccination might be needless and could more harm your dog, than to do it well?

I've my dog now for almost 5 years and went every year to the vet, for vaccination, I've got never any problems by that, or better said with her by that, never could realize any side effects, but now I'm moving and I'll get another vet for her
now I'm really insecure about all of that, as that one might will use any other stuff? but will that be really good for her?

sorry, so difficult to explain, as I'm here just failing of my lack of English, I hope you can understand me nevertheless?

think before, I'll let test the (antibody) titre <-? in her blood before (maybe she still has enough? and a new, even different vaccination could just harm her? maybe even kill her?) and then I'll have a properly talk with that new vet, what's the best to do

what do you think about all of that?


Titre testing is NOT a reliable way of measuring a dogs immunity. It measures circulating antibodies (titres.) The things that trigger an immune response are memory cells. You cannot measure memory cells. A low titre count does not necessarily mean that your dog has no immunity to disease. Not at all, it means your dog has not recently been exposed to infection/disease and the memory cells have not triggered an immune response, therefore releasing the titres.

I had my bitch tested at 16mths having been vaccinated as a puppy. She came back as low parvo and borderline distemper. You cannot test for Lepto as the disease does not illicit titres, thats why its done yearly regardless. I spoke to the UNI that did the testing who told me what Im telling you. They advised a retest in three months. She was retested and the titres were rocketing!! Most likely because she has spent a lot of the winter out working with the gun in the countryside and being exposed to Foxes etc.. Whatever it was a proved point.

Titre testing is useful for things like the rabies test you have to have done for travelling. This is purely to see if the dog has responded to vaccination. Thats why its done within a certain short period of vaccinating. The immune system will trigger a response to the vaccine, therefore showing the dog has responded. This is all its useful for.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/antibodies&immunity.htm

http://www.caberfeidh.com/Titers.htm
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26-01-2013, 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Nippy View Post
There are many differing thoughts around this.
I have never questioned vaccinating any of my dogs, like I never questioned vaccinating my children. To me it is very important halting the spread of such dreadful illnesses.
As you say you can request a titre test if you are really worried. I suppose this is the only way to be sure.
Discuss all the pros and cons with your vet to help you make up your mind.
thanks for your answer Nippy
and I just think, I will do exactly that
I wanna get that titre test before, as it's just, that I've to change the vet

otherwise I also never had questioned any vaccination of her, she always got it regulary every year, without any doubts and it was always the same stuff, she got
the same with rabies, she got the vaccination every year, but now I did hear, that there are other vaccines on the market, where the producer says, the vaccination is for three years, before you need the next one

I just need to know, that nothing is going wrong
as far, as it's lying in my hands, for not to be careless about
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26-01-2013, 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn View Post
Titre testing is NOT a reliable way of measuring a dogs immunity. It measures circulating antibodies (titres.) The things that trigger an immune response are memory cells. You cannot measure memory cells. A low titre count does not necessarily mean that your dog has no immunity to disease. Not at all, it means your dog has not recently been exposed to infection/disease and the memory cells have not triggered an immune response, therefore releasing the titres.

I had my bitch tested at 16mths having been vaccinated as a puppy. She came back as low parvo and borderline distemper. You cannot test for Lepto as the disease does not illicit titres, thats why its done yearly regardless. I spoke to the UNI that did the testing who told me what Im telling you. They advised a retest in three months. She was retested and the titres were rocketing!! Most likely because she has spent a lot of the winter out working with the gun in the countryside and being exposed to Foxes etc.. Whatever it was a proved point.

Titre testing is useful for things like the rabies test you have to have done for travelling. This is purely to see if the dog has responded to vaccination. Thats why its done within a certain short period of vaccinating. The immune system will trigger a response to the vaccine, therefore showing the dog has responded. This is all its useful for.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/antibodies&immunity.htm

http://www.caberfeidh.com/Titers.htm
so, lets say, long story, short sense:
Fu*k off with all of those horrible stories and get the vaccation for your dog!

did I understand you right?

well, that's exactly what I'm thinking about!

I just got so insecure about all of that "new coming up" stuff

then those "arguments" the vet only wants your money and rubbish, and get the book of X or Y and read about...
they are sooo wise...

well, wise enough to get money out of writing wise books maybe
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26-01-2013, 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Malpeki View Post
so, lets say, long story, short sense:
Fu*k off with all of those horrible stories and get the vaccation for your dog!

did I understand you right?

well, that's exactly what I'm thinking about!

I just got so insecure about all of that "new coming up" stuff

then those "arguments" the vet only wants your money and rubbish, and get the book of X or Y and read about...
they are sooo wise...

well, wise enough to get money out of writing wise books maybe
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26-01-2013, 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn View Post
okay, I'm already convinced

and wont change anything, maybe just a few questions to the new vet, what he will give her...

but that should be ok

and Thanks, also to Nippy, thank you very much for your support
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26-01-2013, 10:11 PM
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okay, I'm already convinced and wont change anything, maybe just a few questions to the new vet, what he will give her...
Yes, I think this is the way to go, only last week we had our two dogs yearly 'booster' injections, they had four each, I'm sorry I can't tell you each one but we rely on our vet giving us good advice and after eight years I think they have always done the right thing for us.
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26-01-2013, 10:31 PM
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Yes, I think this is the way to go, only last week we had our two dogs yearly 'booster' injections, they had four each, I'm sorry I can't tell you each one but we rely on our vet giving us good advice and after eight years I think they have always done the right thing for us.
I just can agree with you, I also made only good experiences with my vet

it was really just, because here, some people are really getting mad about that
and if you just hit on the right (wrong) ones, they just really jump at your throat like a rabid dog, for to convince you, that you are wrong at all, with your attitude towards it

think, they just missed, to get their dogs the vaccination for rabies and got infected by them too
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26-01-2013, 11:09 PM
Goodness, you put a lot of us to shame (well, me definitely) with your excellent posting in English. My ancestors were German, but I can barely speak a word.

I too think that the boosters are the way to go, especially if your dog socialises with others on a regular basis or goes where other dogs have been. It is better to be safe, and the negative reactions to the vaccinations are far far far fewer than the instances of dogs contracting life threatening diseases that might have been prevented.
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